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Jon
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Message 1 of 97 (753845)
03-22-2015 7:07 PM


To keep Adequate's request for computer help from going offtopic, I'm going to post my reply to [mbrid=11338] here:
quote:
[mbrid=11338] in Message 10 of Computer Help Please?:
Xongsmith writes
quote:
Windows 8 and 8.1 are the worst viruses unleashed on the planet. They have disabled to alternate boot option so you can only reboot Windows 8 off your hard drive. I recommend avoiding at all possible turn.
Windows 8/8.1 have been the best thing that's ever happened to my life.
My android apps brought in peanuts. Only when I started publishing in the windows store that the money started pouring in. The revenue from my apps in the windows store effectively gave me a 2nd income making it possible for me to pay my student loans, my boyfriend's tuition (he's still in school), and a new house for us. The revenue from 1 app alone in the windows store pays for my mortgage, property tax, and homeowner's insurance.
Simply put, we'd still be living in my parents' basement had it not for windows 8/8.1.
Don't know why people hate windows 8/8.1. It's the fastest operating system so far. It's incredibly stable. It boots up in every machine I've tried it on, including old machines from the early 90's.
Remember when windows 7 first came out and the internet exploded with angry users who absolutely hated 7 and some predicted fire and brimstone if MS didn't bring back xp's GUI? I wonder if it's the same people who are so afraid of change and continue to demand that MS comes out with another version of windows 7. Might as well make us all go back to the old hammer and chisel with stone tablets system.
I wonder if it's the same people who are so afraid of change
I don't think anyone has a problem with change. But there are a lot of people who have a problem with change for change's sake.
Is it impossible to improve on the stability of an operating system without forcing people to relearn pointless procedural tasks every few years?
My android apps brought in peanuts. Only when I started publishing in the windows store that the money started pouring in. The revenue from my apps in the windows store effectively gave me a 2nd income making it possible for me to pay my student loans, my boyfriend's tuition (he's still in school), and a new house for us. The revenue from 1 app alone in the windows store pays for my mortgage, property tax, and homeowner's insurance.
Yep. That's what Windows 8 was designed for: to make MS more competitive in the phone OS market.
As such it's not very well suited to the kind of real work people use real computers for.
quote:
"Why Enterprise is Avoiding Windows 8" from Forbes:
Forrester Research analyst David Johnson believes that the problem lies with the fact that Microsoft's newest operating system doesn’t bring anything of real value to the table.
"Enterprises just don't see Windows 8 having value," wrote Johnson in a recent report. "They don't see the value in the changes in Windows 8."
I run XP; that's enough pointless flash for me.
Really loved my 2000, but it was a little too slow (the computer itself, not the OS) and I really only updated because I couldn't install anything on the damn thing, and then I just got a whole new system.
Jon

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Message 3 of 97 (753883)
03-23-2015 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by coffee_addict
03-22-2015 9:52 PM


Declaring me wrong with a wise crack will only earn you points with the Forum trolls.
For an actual discussion you'll have to put some real work into it.

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Message 14 of 97 (753957)
03-23-2015 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by coffee_addict
03-23-2015 1:05 PM


Touch screen is here to stay. Either MS adapt their OS to accommodate this new tool or die.
You mean they did it to stay competitive... like I said back in Message 1?
Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

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Message 16 of 97 (753968)
03-23-2015 4:30 PM


Open Source vs. Hello Kitty
Ultimately, I think open source is the future.
Where I work, we are getting rid of our primary software app in exchange for an open source application. At present, there are certain tasks that require three different applications to complete and even then they aren't well done. I anticipate that within a few months to a year on the new system, we'll have an application that is perfectly suited to handling all the work we do.
As I pointed out in Message 1, businesses are tired of having to waste their employees' productivity learning to do the same thing in different ways for no reason other than because someone thought some change was in order.
Businesses see no point in updating to shinier models lacking any real improvements in functionality and will soon get sick of doing so every couple years for the sake of MS's forced obsolescence.Can you imagine every improvement to automobile engines being accompanied by a change in how they are driven? What's the point of the touch-screen interface in Windows 8? Most people on a PC can't even take advantage of it. But it's part of the package that's paid for when one upgrades. Smart businesses know better than to pay for crap they don't need and can't use.
If software companies like MS continue in their effort to increase profits by making an ounce of improvement and adding a tone of chrome, more sensible businesses (especially the larger ones with capable IT departments) will switch to open source for everything they do and leave weasels like out in the cold.
And comparing the people who believe in using computers for real work (instead of for just looking like they're doing real work) to dinosaurs isn't going to stave off the inevitable.

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Message 17 of 97 (753972)
03-23-2015 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by coffee_addict
03-23-2015 10:45 AM


You made bold declarations about a system and then say you don't even use the system you made bold declarations about. Just like how phat is trying to tell people how to have a relationship when he never had any himself.
I have used Windows 8.
And that's the reason I don't use it on a regular basis.

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Message 21 of 97 (753993)
03-23-2015 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by coffee_addict
03-23-2015 4:49 PM


Re: Open Source vs. Hello Kitty
Open source doesn't have to equal free.

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Message 24 of 97 (753997)
03-23-2015 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by ThinAirDesigns
03-23-2015 5:08 PM


Re: Open Source vs. Hello Kitty
Not to render your point invalid (because it is valid), but with one click on the front of my android, I can voice record that list faster than you can write it and it will save both an audio and text copy.
And all your coworkers will know what you're having for dinner

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Message 41 of 97 (754166)
03-24-2015 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by coffee_addict
03-24-2015 6:33 PM


Re: .NET
By whom?

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Message 47 of 97 (754194)
03-24-2015 10:52 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by xongsmith
03-24-2015 10:48 PM


Re: .NET
I want to larn me some Db.

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Message 51 of 97 (754539)
03-28-2015 10:32 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by coffee_addict
03-27-2015 10:48 PM


Evidence Trumps Pointless Analogies
There is no such thing as change for change's sake. Every change has a purpose whether people realize it or not.
I see RAZD replied to you on this, so I will only add a recommendation that you read The Waste Makers for an insight into planned obsolescence. What RAZD describes is a really good example of quality obsolescence: a single dysfunctional component has made the entire system unusable well before it should otherwise be retired.
quote:
Vance Packard in The Waste Makers (1960):
A part of the breakdown pattern apparently was the loading of the appliances with gadgets that often immobilized the whole machine when they failed.
...
The Wall Street Journal noted: "Parts and accessory dealers naturally are pleased with the added extras put on new cars." They should be. I have two neighbors who bought station wagons in 1956. One bought a model with power steering, power brakes, automatic shifting, power windows. The othera curmudgeon type who doesn't think that shifting gears and raising windows by hand are too much of a strainbought a car without any of the extras. His years of ownership of the car have been relatively trouble free. (And by spurning the extras he saved several hundred dollars at the outset.) The other neighbor who bought the car with all the extras moans that he got a "lemon." His car, he states, has been laid up at the garage seven times, usually because of malfunctioning of the optional equipment. (p. 112; 138)
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Yep. That's what Windows 8 was designed for: to make MS more competitive in the phone OS market.
No, it wasn't.
But it was:
quote:
Wikipedia on Windows 8:
Windows 8 introduced major changes to the operating system's platform and user interface to improve its user experience on tablets, where Windows was now competing with mobile operating systems, including Android and iOS.
I'm going to leave it at that for now. I've offered at least four of five points of support on this topic in this thread alone; you've so far given nothing to support your own position.
The ball's in your court. It's time to either play or get off the field.
Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

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Message 54 of 97 (754545)
03-28-2015 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by coffee_addict
03-28-2015 12:00 PM


Re: Evidence Trumps Pointless Analogies
The problem with your argument that I have isn't that windows 8 is meant to be competitive to the mobile platform. The problem I have is you made a jump from being competitive to the mobile platform to mobile platform is not for productivity thus making windows 8/8.1 useless to work.
That too I have addressed; from Message 1:
quote:
"Why Enterprise is Avoiding Windows 8" from Forbes:
Forrester Research analyst David Johnson believes that the problem lies with the fact that Microsoft's newest operating system doesn’t bring anything of real value to the table.
"Enterprises just don't see Windows 8 having value," wrote Johnson in a recent report. "They don't see the value in the changes in Windows 8."
And you of all people should know that at the end of the day it always comes down to the details.
Key words being "at the end of the day". We don't start with the details; we get there as the discussion develops and our points and replies become more in-depth.
So you can start with a reply to everything I've said so faror just parts of it, but since you have accused me of being wrong about everything, you should probably at least address each point briefly, making sure to bring some of your own evidence into the discussion; and then I'll continue by providing additional information and evidence that both counters what you've presented and supports what I've said. Then you do the same. And then we rinse and repeat.
But you can be certain that unless you bring some of your own evidence to the table, this conversation isn't going anywhere. You gotta give if you're gonna take.
ABE: You edited your message while I was writing my reply. I am not going to address your addition at the moment; I'd like to see some substantive posts from you before I offer up any additional replies.
Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

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Message 58 of 97 (754567)
03-28-2015 5:58 PM
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03-28-2015 5:55 PM


Re: Evidence Trumps Pointless Analogies
Whatever.
I'm done with you.

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Message 63 of 97 (754615)
03-29-2015 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Percy
03-29-2015 8:50 AM


Re: Why I Fear Upgrading
I'm curious what you estimate the total costs would be to updating everything and how much time it would take you to learn the new procedures.
Also, have you seen anything in Windows 8 that you think would benefit you? Does it appear to have any features that would increase your productivity? Make life easier?

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Message 67 of 97 (754657)
03-29-2015 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by coffee_addict
03-29-2015 6:20 PM


Re: Why I Fear Upgrading
You don't consider changing the registry around as hacking?

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Message 76 of 97 (754729)
03-30-2015 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Percy
03-30-2015 4:28 PM


Re: Why I Fear Upgrading
Speaking of network settings, they give you a link to disable your LAN, and you expect that if you click on it it will be replaced with a link to enable your LAN. But no, the link just disappears. You have to go elsewhere to turn your LAN back on.
I experienced this just yesterday! They even have the Troubleshoot link, which I clicked on because in XP that usually resets the adapter and disables-re-enables the LAN, but that's not what I got here, just a message telling me it was disabled and that I needed to enable it first ... and I had to go digging through the network control settings.
What good is the Troubleshoot link if you gotta go do it all manually anyway? XP's Repair option is so much better. (Not to mention you wouldn't even need it for this since XP gives you Enable and Disable options right from the taskbar icon.)
Regarding Windows 8, I did some troubleshooting on my girlfriend's dad's Win8 PC a while ago. What an horrendous experience.
At every turn I knew exactly what I wanted/needed to do, but I could never figure out how the hell to do it. Simple things were taking me forever because each time I wanted to do something I had to google "how to do XYZ in Windows 8".
Like dwise1 pointed out earlier, one of the biggest drains on productivity in updating from 7 to 8 is the time wasted trying to relearn where everything is hiding.
This is why updating to Windows 8 doesn't make a whole lot of sense if you are someone who does real work with your computer. It offers nothing new in the way of useful functionality and only promises endless wasted hours trying to figure out how to do what you used to doif you still can.
If you're looking for something that looks different and, especially, flashy; if you like newness for newness' sake; if all you do on computers is watch YouTube videos and play Facebook games; then update away.
But if you're doing meaningful stuff with your Windows 7 or XP (or older) system, then, by God, stay the hell away from the pointless update that is Windows 8.
Edited by Jon, : No reason given.
Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

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