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Jon
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Message 1 of 97 (753845)
03-22-2015 7:07 PM


To keep Adequate's request for computer help from going offtopic, I'm going to post my reply to coffee_addict here:

quote:
coffee_addict in Message 10 of Computer Help Please?:

Xongsmith writes

quote:
Windows 8 and 8.1 are the worst viruses unleashed on the planet. They have disabled to alternate boot option so you can only reboot Windows 8 off your hard drive. I recommend avoiding at all possible turn.

Windows 8/8.1 have been the best thing that's ever happened to my life.

My android apps brought in peanuts. Only when I started publishing in the windows store that the money started pouring in. The revenue from my apps in the windows store effectively gave me a 2nd income making it possible for me to pay my student loans, my boyfriend's tuition (he's still in school), and a new house for us. The revenue from 1 app alone in the windows store pays for my mortgage, property tax, and homeowner's insurance.

Simply put, we'd still be living in my parents' basement had it not for windows 8/8.1.

Don't know why people hate windows 8/8.1. It's the fastest operating system so far. It's incredibly stable. It boots up in every machine I've tried it on, including old machines from the early 90's.

Remember when windows 7 first came out and the internet exploded with angry users who absolutely hated 7 and some predicted fire and brimstone if MS didn't bring back xp's GUI? I wonder if it's the same people who are so afraid of change and continue to demand that MS comes out with another version of windows 7. Might as well make us all go back to the old hammer and chisel with stone tablets system.


I wonder if it's the same people who are so afraid of change

I don't think anyone has a problem with change. But there are a lot of people who have a problem with change for change's sake.

Is it impossible to improve on the stability of an operating system without forcing people to relearn pointless procedural tasks every few years?

My android apps brought in peanuts. Only when I started publishing in the windows store that the money started pouring in. The revenue from my apps in the windows store effectively gave me a 2nd income making it possible for me to pay my student loans, my boyfriend's tuition (he's still in school), and a new house for us. The revenue from 1 app alone in the windows store pays for my mortgage, property tax, and homeowner's insurance.

Yep. That's what Windows 8 was designed for: to make MS more competitive in the phone OS market.

As such it's not very well suited to the kind of real work people use real computers for.

quote:
"Why Enterprise is Avoiding Windows 8" from Forbes:

Forrester Research analyst David Johnson believes that the problem lies with the fact that Microsoft's newest operating system doesn’t bring anything of real value to the table.

"Enterprises just don't see Windows 8 having value," wrote Johnson in a recent report. "They don't see the value in the changes in Windows 8."


I run XP; that's enough pointless flash for me.

Really loved my 2000, but it was a little too slow (the computer itself, not the OS) and I really only updated because I couldn't install anything on the damn thing, and then I just got a whole new system.

Jon


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Message 2 of 97 (753865)
03-22-2015 9:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jon
03-22-2015 7:07 PM


Considering that everything you said is wrong, I think you've caught the Phat disease.

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Message 3 of 97 (753883)
03-23-2015 9:14 AM
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03-22-2015 9:52 PM


Declaring me wrong with a wise crack will only earn you points with the Forum trolls.

For an actual discussion you'll have to put some real work into it.


Love your enemies!

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Message 4 of 97 (753903)
03-23-2015 10:45 AM
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03-23-2015 9:14 AM


You made bold declarations about a system and then say you don't even use the system you made bold declarations about. Just like how phat is trying to tell people how to have a relationship when he never had any himself.

I'm not going to discuss color with a blind man.

edit

The color dark blue is very bright and annoying. It gives people a headache. Usually, men look at this color, they become feminized and act against their nature. I admit that I am blind, so I have never seen this color, but all the popular kids hate this color, so it must be true.

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Message 5 of 97 (753912)
03-23-2015 11:20 AM
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03-23-2015 10:45 AM


Windows 8/8.1 is pretty good on a PC with third-party apps that get you away from that horrendous interface. The decision to force everybody into a touch-oriented interface was IMHO worse than the decision to hope Vista would just catch on without getting the nerds on board. (I thought Vista was technically pretty good).

Thank the Lord they finally caught on with Windows 10.


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Message 6 of 97 (753914)
03-23-2015 11:23 AM
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03-23-2015 10:45 AM


Hey, what does your app do?

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Message 7 of 97 (753920)
03-23-2015 11:43 AM
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03-23-2015 11:20 AM


They had to do something with a touch interface. Implementation in 8 was a bit clunky. To their credit MS seems to have taken lessons learned to heart. Initial looks at 10 are very promising. I have played a little with it on PC and phone. I am thinking of picking up another laptop and running 10 preview on it. I think the even tighter integration of the OS between pc, phone and tablet is a huge plus. The reason I like 8.1 so much is because how well my phone, pc and tablet work together. 10 should just improve on that immensely. The OS is evolving as touch becomes more prevalent.

The luddites can bemoan and complain, but the market and new devices are forcing the change. People want a consistent experience between devices, nothing before 8 was capable of that. I am sure there are still some DOS fanatics out there, I loved working with DOS, but for the average person it was difficult to do anything beyond what the core programs allowed you to do. Does anyone really want to still be messing with IRQ's, DMA channels, dip switches or EMS? I made a lot of spending money in the 80's and 90's because of them, but we would not have what we have today if we were still dealing with those issues on each pc.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 8 of 97 (753933)
03-23-2015 12:56 PM
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03-23-2015 11:23 AM


All business apps. Nothing like angry birds.

Although, I promised myself that if one of my apps make it to the status of angry birds I'd be hiring an infinite number of monkeys and have them type up and post random messages for this forum as well as others I know.


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Message 9 of 97 (753936)
03-23-2015 1:03 PM
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03-23-2015 12:56 PM


All business apps.

There's gold in them there businesses.

I was at a national sales meeting and the marketing team (who was in charge of planning the event) had everyone download this app where you can upload photos from the meeting and everyone can vote on them and then the person who gets the most points gets some kind of prize - it was a little more complicated than that. Kind of like a private closed Reddit.

It was actually a cool idea and it got a lot of people involved in taking and sharing pictures of the event.

I was talking to marketing guy about the app and he told me they spent like a thousand dollars to be able use it.

And I was all: Dang, and I've thought to myself that $0.99 was questionable.


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Message 10 of 97 (753937)
03-23-2015 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by JonF
03-23-2015 11:20 AM


JonF writes
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Windows 8/8.1 is pretty good on a PC with third-party apps that get you away from that horrendous interface.

But this is just it. Even without third party apps, one can simply stay on the desktop all the time.

I have a desktop and the surface pro 3. I hardly ever use the metro interface on my desktop. And as my boyfriend can attest, there's no third party app to do that at all. All I do is just stay on the desktop with my desktop pc. With my surface pro 3, I'm fluid between the 2 interfaces.

That said, 100% of all my apps are worked on nowadays with the surface pro 3.

Anyway, I think the "horrendous interface" and being forced there has been greatly exaggerated.

Touch screen is here to stay. Either MS adapt their OS to accommodate this new tool or die.

Was the first GUI perfect vs the old command line interface? Probably not. And I'd imagine people were predicting fire and brimstone as well if MS didn't kill off the GUI and stay with DOS for all eternity. You know, the same argument that xp and 7 users make nowadays. Why improve? Just stay with xp for all times.


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Message 11 of 97 (753938)
03-23-2015 1:14 PM
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coffee_addict writes:

Touch screen is here to stay.


So is Hello Kitty.

I wonder if some time in the future there will be a renaissance for "real" computer users. That would be a good idea for a science fiction story. I hope Kilgore Trout doesn't steal my idea.


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Message 12 of 97 (753939)
03-23-2015 1:19 PM


I should add that I'm passionate about topics like this one. And here's why.

I work for an engineering firm. When I first started working for it a few years ago, I had to report to this old guy that was a few million years old. I think he was born right around the time the terror bird was roaming the Earth.

Anyway, I submitted my first report, which wasn't perfect. It was quickly kicked back. He wanted me to hand write everything. I thought ok I was new and he wanted me to do everything by hand first. Well, it turned out that everyone who reported to him had to submit everything by hand. No typed report of any kind. If we had to do long calculations, we could not use excel or any other tool. Everything had to be written out by hand. Even drawings had to be done by hand. Why? He called typed reports "fake reports". It didn't end there.

One time, a contractor asked me if they could use laser and gps to do some layouts. We had another company double check their work, so I didn't see a problem with it. When the million year old boss came out and saw that they were making layouts at the work site using lasers, he was furious. He proclaimed "what if the laser was crooked?"

This was the most anti-technology, anti-progress person I had ever seen in my life. He often told us about the good old days when there were rooms full of drafters drawing out the plans and designs by hand. I'm pretty sure he also misses the good old days when people used hammer and chisel to keep records.

When he retired, we all cheered.

I have a problem with people who keep looking back and long for the good old days. I wrote an LOB app to make my work more efficient and accurate. And while they haven't been able to find any mistake with my printouts using my app, they still hate it. After all, it was bad enough that they had to accept typed out reports using MS office and excel . Now, they claim, they have to accept printouts from this alien thing called an "app".

I've done everything I could to accommodate what they want. All my printouts of calculations have every step of the calculation. Even a simple 2+2 is right there for them to see. But since the work is done by an "app", it must not be real work.

I've already told them. I'll concede if they ever find a mistake. And I know they'd love to find a mistake. I'm still patiently waiting for them to say "aha!"


  
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Message 13 of 97 (753942)
03-23-2015 1:47 PM
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03-23-2015 1:05 PM


Was the first GUI perfect vs the old command line interface?

Windows 3.0, The Lisa?

I really liked GEOS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/...EOS_%2816-bit_operating_system%29


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 14 of 97 (753957)
03-23-2015 3:44 PM
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03-23-2015 1:05 PM


Touch screen is here to stay. Either MS adapt their OS to accommodate this new tool or die.

You mean they did it to stay competitive... like I said back in Message 1?

Edited by Jon, : No reason given.


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Message 15 of 97 (753959)
03-23-2015 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Jon
03-23-2015 3:44 PM


What you said is still wrong. And since you can't tell the difference between what I said and what you said, it further proves my point that you don't know what you are talking about.

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