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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 295 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Who ruled heaven on this day. God or Satan?
This quote speaks of God choosing Jesus as a human sacrifice to take our just punishment for our sins. Dogma says that we cannot redeem ourselves from God condemnation. 1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. The above quote shows this as Gods first actual judgement as judge and shows the setting and accepting of a bribe or human sacrifice to corrupt his justice. That justice usually stated that only the punishment of the guilty was acceptable to justice and that it would be unjust to punish the innocent. The corruption of God’s usual justice is what the bribe or sacrifice of Jesus bought. Injustice. Recognizing that by whatever name you would use, sacrifice, ransom, bribe or payment, would you say such an immoral request and legal injustice would most likely be demanded by a God or by a Satan? If punishing the innocent is not a just and moral thing to do, I would say that Satan would be the one to ask or demand such a sacrifice. That would have Satan ruling heaven and not God as a good God would not do such an immoral thing. Do you agree that Satan is more likely to ask for us to accept an immoral human sacrifice to bail us out than God would? If you agree, does that indicate that Satan was ruling in heaven and not God on that day? RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 295 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
I guess that you both did not recognize that this thread is on the morality of substitutionary atonement.
Do you agree that Satan is more likely to ask for us to accept an immoral human sacrifice to bail us out than God would? I do understand though why those of faith would not like to deal with a moral questions that show that God is quite the vile and immoral demiurge. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 295 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
jar
Your mantra is duly noted. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 295 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
ringo
No arguing that. If the antagonist is a plot device then so is the hero. Good cannot prove itself without defeating evil in most literature. RegardsDL Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 295 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
ringo
I agree with your last but you confuse the issue by mixing real and fictional. KIS is the way to go. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 295 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Phat
The model of God/Jesus, the only perfect lamb of God, and the only man who cannot sin, because he is God as well, we are all born in Original Sin except for him, --- is the model forced upon us. We, apparently, have no other way to atone for our God given sin natures. We must accept the punishment of an innocent man or end in hell and death. This all because Eve was deceived by a talking serpent, some think Satan, that God put in Eden to insure that Eve was deceived. God had planned for Eve to fail, which is why he had already planned to have Jesus murdered. I say murdered because he had planned that murder even before the potential of the first sin. As you say, ludicrous. I add immoral, which is why I vilify that vile demiurge, Yahweh. Yahweh’s plan of having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs we have done, --- so that we might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. This is irrefutable. If that is immoral then we sin if we accept that murder and try to profit from it for our heavenly benefit. Every justice system tries hard to punish the guilty and here Yahweh think it just to punish the innocent. You said, allowing us the ability to be free (if we so choose) from His communion and influence. This is false. Born in Original Sin, you cannot be free of God’s condemnation and you must accept and try to profit from Jesus’ murder. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 295 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
jar
Thanks buddy. Follow your bliss. You seem to know when God created the plan to have Jesus murdered. Enlighten us if you care to do so. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 295 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
jar
There is no evidence for anything said about God or to justify a belief in a God. That is what faith is for. The suspension of intelligent thought for a belief in the supernatural. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 295 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
ringo
Because less intelligent people are believing bull shit and it is our social duty to help them. Do you not love your fellow man? Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth. Do you not see the harm that religious belief cause for mankind? Should we not all try to reduce that harm? RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 295 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
^^
Show how? RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 295 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
^^
Did I not point to your comment? Look at your comment and show how. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 295 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
How many comments did you make that I could possibly have spoken to.
Give an answer, stop your idiocy, or go away. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 295 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Phat
If by dogma you mean this, --- a belief or set of beliefs that is accepted by the members of a group without being questioned or doubted, then yes I do. I offer this plagiarized wisdom from an unknown author as justification for my view. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good. RegardsDL
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