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Author Topic:   Should there be a law against public institutions that lie for money?
RAZD
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Message 6 of 59 (762747)
07-15-2015 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Greatest I am
07-14-2015 2:56 PM


Should there be a law against public institutions that lie for money?
The problem is that lying is difficult to prove\demonstrate as it involves the intent to deceive - so if the teller believes it is true there is no deceit, no lie.
You can have a law against providing false information for money -- that is called fraud.
False information can be demonstrated: if someone claims to have a degree and you can show that the degree doesn't exist ...
If someone claims the earth is less than 10,000 years old you can show that there are tree rings that show a greater age ...
If this "information" is sold or exchanged for money then fraud has been committed.
There ought to be a law against institution like religions and bogus charities that live off of lying to the gullible.
Can you protect people from being fools?
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Message 36 of 59 (762845)
07-16-2015 2:30 PM
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07-15-2015 11:39 AM


laws or education?
Yes you can protect someone from being a fool.
That is what fraud laws do.
There are two problems with laws -- (1) you need a legal basis to charge people under the law, and that usually means you need people to file complaints, and (2) religious people are predominantly not just willing participants, but strongly believe it is their right to participate in the program.
To my mind a better approach would be education -- particularly in logical fallacies, which can arm people against all kinds of hokus bogus claims, not just religious ones (such as claims by purported "charity" organizations that provide little actual charity).
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Message 37 of 59 (762850)
07-16-2015 2:41 PM
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07-15-2015 4:12 PM


Probably still requires an intent to deceive if you want to do anything more than simply make the person stop (providing) the information.
Agreed, and that is one aspect that makes it difficult to apply to religions, because people believe they are dealing with truths (Truths/TRUTHS) rather than deception. They are willing participants, and would fight against any attempt to "suppress" their beliefs -- look at the "religious freedom" laws for example.
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