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Author Topic:   Should there be a law against public institutions that lie for money?
Greatest I am
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Message 1 of 59 (762692)
07-14-2015 2:56 PM


Should there be a law against public institutions that lie for money?
Religions and many charitable organizations of all stripes make their revenues by lying to people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ9oBCLwwL0
The Great British rake-off... what really happens to the billions YOU donate to charity: Fat cat pay, appalling waste and hidden agendas | Daily Mail Online
Should we help protect the gullible by eliminating all the fraud that is being passed off as religion and charity?
Those who do not believe the lies being sold by religions and charities are presently subsidize the tax exemptions and credits that religions and charities enjoy. What they save in taxes, non-believers and those who actually want to give to charities must fork up.
I am not what most would call a non-believer, I am a Gnostic Christian, but still resent my hard earned tax money being used to perpetuate what most know are lies. If you are a non-believer, or one who wants your charitable donations to actually be used for charity, I hope you feel the same and do not like being fleeced the way the gullible are.
There ought to be a law against institution like religions and bogus charities that live off of lying to the gullible.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...re-than-82-5-billion-a-year
Do you agree?
Regards
DL

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Message 7 of 59 (762749)
07-15-2015 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by jar
07-14-2015 4:18 PM


jar
So much for doing unto others.
How is protecting the gullible from priests, imams and other liars posing as charities against the law?
Is fraud not illegal in your location?
Regards
DL

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Message 8 of 59 (762750)
07-15-2015 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by NoNukes
07-14-2015 9:29 PM


NoNukes
Christians believe that babies go to heaven.
They also believe that most will sin and get on that wide road to hell instead of the narrow path to heaven.
Most priests should then advocate abortion and baby killing as a way to insure that the majority instead of the minority get to heaven.
If they truly believed what they preach, that would be the moral thing to do, yet they do not do what is best for the majority, --- because they do not believe their own dogma.
IOW. Priests and imams are liars and con men.
Regards
DL

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Message 9 of 59 (762751)
07-15-2015 11:39 AM
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07-15-2015 9:35 AM


RADZ
Yes you can protect someone from being a fool.
That is what fraud laws do.
The I.D. court have already judged that Christianity lied in trying to put creationism in schools so there are limits to the lies that society will tolerate.
I just think a stronger message should be sent as Christians obviously are too stupid to get the politically correct one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dtC052f9A4
Are we not our brothers keeper and should we not follow the golden rule and try to protect the gullible from religious con men?
Regards
DL

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Message 17 of 59 (762801)
07-16-2015 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by ringo
07-15-2015 3:13 PM


ringo
Enforcement to end this type of abuse.
The crooks ain't just confined to religions. Here are a few more crooks:
Rank Charity name... Total raised by solicitors ...Paid to solicitors ... % spent on direct cash aid
1 Kids Wish Network 137.9million 115.9 million 2.5%
2 Cancer Fund of America 86.8million 75.4 million 1.0%
3 Children's Wish Foundation International 92.7million 61.2 million 10.6%
4 Firefighters Charitable Foundation 62.8million 53.8 million 7.4%
5 International Union of Police Associations, AFL-CIO 66.6million 50.4 million 0.5%
6 Breast Cancer Relief Foundation 63.9million 44.8 million 2.2%
7 American Association of State Troopers 48.1million 38.6 million 8.9%
8 National Veterans Service Fund 70.2million 36.9 million 7.8%
9 Children's Cancer Fund of America 43.7million 34.4 million 4.6%
10 Children's Cancer Recovery Foundation 38.5million 28.9 million 0.7%
11 Project Cure (Bradenton, FL) 53.8million 25.5 million 0.0%
12 Committee For Missing Children 26.6million 23.5 million 0.8%
13 Youth Development Fund 27.5million 22.6 million 1.0%
14 Association for Firefighters and Paramedics 24.0million 21.4 million 3.1%
15 Woman To Woman Breast Cancer Foundation 19.4million 18.2 million 0.3%
16 United States Deputy Sheriffs' Association 25.6million 17.9 million 0.8%
17 National Caregiving Foundation 21.0million 17.4 million 3.2%
18 Vietnow National Headquarters 19.1million 16.7 million 2.8%
19 National Cancer Coalition 42.1million 16.4 million 1.3%
20 Operation Lookout National Center for Missing Youth 18.2million 14.7 million 0.0%
21 American Foundation For Disabled Children 15.8million 13.4 million 0.6%
22 Heart Support of America 31.4million 12.9 million 3.1%
23 Police Protective Fund 37.7million 12.2 million 0.7%
24 Veterans Assistance Foundation 12.4million 11.1 million 10.4%
25 Children's Charity Fund 14.0million 10.3 million 2.4%
26 The Veterans Fund 12.6million 10.2 million 2.5%
27 Wishing Well Foundation USA 12.6million 10.1 million 4.3%
28 Disabled Police Officers of America Inc. 11.4million 9.5 million 2.3%
29 Disabled Police and Sheriffs Foundation 10.4million 8.9 million 1.0%
30 National Police Defense Foundation 10.6million 8.4 million 5.1%
31 Defeat Diabetes Foundation 12.7million 7.8 million 0.0%
32 American Association of the Deaf & Blind 10.3million 7.8 million 0.1%
33 Optimal Medical Foundation 7.8million 7.6 million 1.0%
34 Circle of Friends For American Veterans 9.3million 7.2 million 4.4%
35 United Breast Cancer Foundation 12.7million 7.2 million 6.3%
36 Reserve Police Officers Association 7.8million 6.9 million 1.2%
37 Children's Leukemia Research Association 9.8million 6.8 million 11.1%
38 Disabled Police Officers Counseling Center 7.6million 6.4 million 0.1%
39 Shiloh International Ministries 7.7million 6.0 million 1.1%
40 Find the Children 7.4million 4.8 million 4.6%
41 Survivors and Victims Empowered 7.7million 4.8 million 0.0%
42 Firefighters Assistance Fund 5.7million 4.7 million 3.1%
43 Caring for Our Children Foundation 5.1million 4.4 million 1.6%
44 National Narcotic Officers Associations Coalition 5.0million 4.2 million 0.0%
45 Our American Veterans 2.6million 2.3 million 2.3%
46 Roger Wyburn-Mason & Jack M Blount Foundation For Eradication of Rheumatoid Disease 9.0million 1.9 million 0.0%
47 Hope Cancer Fund 2.1million 1.7 million 0.5%
48 Firefighters Burn Fund 2.0million 1.7 million 1.5%
Crooks all, and there ain't nothing illegal about it.
Regards
DL

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Message 18 of 59 (762802)
07-16-2015 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by ringo
07-15-2015 3:13 PM


ringo
I also think that religions should not receive any tax breaks of any kind and that their adherents should not be able to use what they give as tax deductions.
Churches are just theatres showing adult fairy tales and we cannot deduct what we spend at other theatres so should not be able to deduct what is basically entertainment.
Regards
DL

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Message 19 of 59 (762804)
07-16-2015 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by NoNukes
07-15-2015 4:12 PM


Nonukes
When a religion begins it's teachings with the notion that God is unknowable, unfathomable and works in mysterious ways, and then teaches reams of information on all they say they know as truth of that unknowable and unfathomable God, one can know as a fact that they are lying.
Regards
DL

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Message 21 of 59 (762806)
07-16-2015 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by jar
07-15-2015 5:53 PM



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Message 22 of 59 (762807)
07-16-2015 12:49 PM
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07-15-2015 8:16 PM


Tangle
It is quite hard for the church to get rid of notions that can draw in a lot of cash/indulgences.
If your child is in heaven, you will not give cash to the church.
If not in heaven, gullible people will pay the fare.
Regards
DL

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Message 25 of 59 (762810)
07-16-2015 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by glowby
07-16-2015 1:36 AM


glowby
There is no consensus on all things but if you read that long list above, the immorality and illegality should be apparent to any prosecutor worth his title.
We are not enforcing our law and you and I pay the fair share of taxes that those corporations are not paying.
Regards
DL

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Message 26 of 59 (762811)
07-16-2015 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by ringo
07-16-2015 12:43 PM


ringo
I was not going to cherry pick that list. You can pull the one out of 50 if you like though.
Regards
DL

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Message 27 of 59 (762812)
07-16-2015 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by ringo
07-16-2015 12:49 PM


ringo
No argument.
That does not forgive there overall abuse of the public purse that you and I underwrite.
Regards
DL

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Message 28 of 59 (762813)
07-16-2015 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by jar
07-16-2015 12:50 PM


jar
To the ignorant go the spoils.
Regards
DL

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Message 31 of 59 (762817)
07-16-2015 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by ringo
07-16-2015 1:02 PM


ringo
Funding for the following.
African witches and Jesus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9gXriVI
Jesus Camp 1of 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac
Death to Gays.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyuKLyGUHNE
Regards
DL

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Message 32 of 59 (762818)
07-16-2015 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by ringo
07-16-2015 1:02 PM


ringo
It should be obvious to you.
Because of the % spent on direct cash aid.
Regards
DL

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