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Message 14 of 206 (781303)
04-03-2016 10:42 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by starlite
04-03-2016 10:18 PM


Re: different causes for different layers?
Maybe they were deposited faster than they think? That doesn't have to mean a flood. My thought is that each geologic layer represents something closer to a few centuries, than millions of years.

And your evidence for that is????

Oh, in framing your answer it might be advisable to study the scientific evidence for millions of years and have some evidence-based refutation. Opinions and "thoughts" don't count for much.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.


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Message 17 of 206 (781308)
04-03-2016 11:07 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by starlite
04-03-2016 10:49 PM


Re: different causes for different layers?
The same evidence we have for any depositing. What evidence (besides fantasy radioactive decay based dating) is there for slow deposit?? The door swings both ways.

No, it doesn't. The evidence is overwhelming in one direction, and that is an old earth.

I have personally obtained probably 200 radiocarbon dates older than the claimed date of the flood, and quite a few older than the young earth claims. Every "explanation" I've seen from young earthers as to why these dates are older than their belief claims I have found to be abject nonsense. So, you don't just get to claim radioactive decay dating is "fantasy." You have to present evidence.

If you disagree, there are other threads here devoted to this subject where you can present your evidence. But beware, there are a few of us here who actually work with radiometric dates and have some real knowledge of the subject. Perhaps you need to read those threads first and save us the pain of repeating refutations for the nth time.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.


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Message 19 of 206 (781312)
04-03-2016 11:29 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by starlite
04-03-2016 11:20 PM


Re: different causes for different layers?
No it isn't. Get over it. As for the so called dates you obtained, they would have zero meaning if the daughter material was already here when decay started right? So...was it here? How do you know? Answer well or your dates are religion.

Your post shows you know nothing about radiocarbon dating.

Stay away from those creationist sites: they lie to you.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.


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Message 74 of 206 (781477)
04-04-2016 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by starlite
04-04-2016 2:37 PM


Re: different causes for different layers?
The ratios of parent and daughter isotopes are used to determine how much time it took to produce the daughter by that decay.

It has been pointed out to you that this is not the case for radiocarbon dating.

Radiocarbon dating makes absolutely no use of a daughter product.

Are you not reading the posts we make, or are you so firm in your delusions that nothing we say, and no evidence we present, will make any difference to you?


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.


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Message 110 of 206 (781608)
04-05-2016 9:49 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Faith
04-05-2016 9:16 PM


Re: Events seen round the world --- change leaves evidence
Percy agrees I've provided a model, and in fact I've provided a model many many times in the past.

A model is a simplification of reality, designed to test assumptions and hypotheses against evidence (reality).

It is possible, and actually very common, to have models that disagree with one another completely. Just because you have crafted a model does not mean it reflects reality. Creating a model is just an early step in the process.

Next you have to evaluate the predictions and necessary conclusions of the model against the real world. To the extent that those match the evidence from the real world the model, and its assumptions, are supported (not proved!). To the extent that the predictions and necessary conclusions of the model do not match the real world the model and its assumptions are disproved. Some models can be adjusted to better fit the evidence, while others may be hopelessly wrong and need to be scrapped.

So, it is good that you have formulated a model! That's a very good first step. But one can't just assume that a model is 100% accurate. It needs to be evaluated against reality.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.


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