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Taq Member Posts: 10045 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Another thread by someone who wants to interfere in the freedoms of others. Bunch of fascists. Secular atheists like myself fully support your religious freedoms to worship any deity you want. I also support your right to dress as a clown and spray yourself with waffle syrup while signing "Pop Goes the Weasel". It all seems a bit silly to me, but you certainly have the right to do as you see fit. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10045 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Is there a limit to your statement? As the old saying goes, your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins. You don't have the right to take another person's rights away, but as long as your religious practices do not infringe upon mine, do what you want.
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Taq Member Posts: 10045 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
I was asking what your limit to live and let live was, --- as it pertains to religions I told you what those limits were. The limit to religious rights are where they interfere with someone else's rights.
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Taq Member Posts: 10045 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Of course America started out with Christian laws, laws based on the Bible. Gradually paganization has replaced them. You don't want Christian laws imposed on you, but I guess it's okay with you if your laws are imposed on Christians, and your beliefs taught in public schools no matter who objects to them. Right? We don't want anyone's religious beliefs taught to the exclusion of other people's beliefs in public schools. That's the whole point. Also, if you are for Christian law, then you would outlaw religious freedom. Afterall, it is a sin to worship deities other than the God of the Bible. You would put Hindus in jail for simply worshiping Vishnu. That doesn't make sense. Edited by Taq, : No reason given. Edited by Taq, : No reason given. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10045 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Though Vishnu could not be celebrated by a Christian society, you should also recognize that the recent Supreme Court ruling in favor of gay marriage, and their ruling back in 1973 in favor of abortion, seriously violate Christian teachings though they are forced on us, this latest ruling in a way that actually criminalizes us for opposing gay marriage. But as the conversation has gone here on this subject it is very clear that nobody is bothered at all about this tyrannical imposition. Though it would bother you immensely if the Ten Commandments were made the law of the land, as they used to be. So America has now reverted to paganism, paganism is imposed on Christians as well as everbody else, doesn't bother anyone here at all.
Is it a sin to worship gods other than the God of the Bible? Yes or no? If our laws allow people to commit this sin, does that law run counter to Christianity? Yes or no? If our laws allow for the sin of worshiping Vishnu, then how is that any different than allowing other sins?
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Taq Member Posts: 10045 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Elevating a pagan god over the God of the Bible isn't going to happen in a Christian society, but that's different from allowing people of different religions to worship as they please in their own private spheres. You have already stated that what goes on in private spheres is something that is "forced on you". "Though Vishnu could not be celebrated by a Christian society, you should also recognize that the recent Supreme Court ruling in favor of gay marriage, and their ruling back in 1973 in favor of abortion, seriously violate Christian teachings though they are forced on us, this latest ruling in a way that actually criminalizes us for opposing gay marriage."--Faith, post 41 What does it matter to you what happens in someone else's wedding service? What business is it to you what happens in the privacy of a doctors office? Apparently, what happens in private spheres does matter for Christian laws. So the question to you is why you would allow such serious sins as worshipping the wrong god and idol worship, but not other serious sins that also happen in private? Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10045 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Refusing to recognize gay marriage is now a crime. No, it isn't.
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Taq Member Posts: 10045 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Chrjstian businesses asked to perform a service for a gay wedding were already being treated as criminal for refusing to do so before the SCOTUS decision; that can only increase. The same laws also prevent businesses from discriminating against customers based on their religious beliefs, including those who worship idols and gods other than the christian God. In a country ruled by "christian law", would businesses be allowed to discriminate against hindus because of their sin of worshiping gods other than the God of the Bible?
Now, if the authorities were inclined to, they could arrest a pastor for preaching from the parts of the Bible that affirm marriage as for one man and one woman and that homosexuality is a sin. For that matter, they could come knock on my door and inquire what my opinion of gay marriage is, and if I say it's a violation of God's law they could arrest me. They could do no such thing. Making stuff up is not helping your argument.
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Taq Member Posts: 10045 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
You misrepresent me. I'm no more "worried" about "what gays are doing" than the sins of heterosexuals. The reason gays are the focus so often here is the attempt to make their sin into something normal and to push "gay marriage." How is that any different than celebrating the rights of hindus to worship deities other than those allowed by the Bible?
If you want to focus on hetero sins, yes they are also sins, but nobody is trying to make them normal yet. It isn't normal for US citizens to be hindus? If christian law were enforced, would they be banned from being hindu?
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Taq Member Posts: 10045 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Sexual crimes undermine community, and blur the meaning of marriage as a reflection of the uniting of Christ with His Bride. You may think them trivial; God does not. Does God have no problem with people worshiping Vishnu?
Ancient Israel was God's chosen people, representing Him in the world against all the other nations that followed the religions invented by the devil since the Fall. Having the entire community come together to stone to death the violators was a way of giving cohesiveness to the community, to impress on them the immediacy and importance of violations of His Law, and give them no escape from their own personal responsibility for upholding it. His Law = Stone the Hindus ?
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Taq Member Posts: 10045 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Funny then that Christians seem to agree that it is. Does the legality of Hinduism force you to accept Vishnu as a real deity?
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Taq Member Posts: 10045 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Nobody is requiring Christians to practice Hinduism, but we are being required to accept homosexuality as normal and to recognize gay marriage as valid. Nobody is requiring christians to practice homosexuality, but you are required to not discriminate against hindu couples in the same way that you are not allowed to discriminate against homosexual couples, at least in some states. How is that any different? If the law requires you to not discriminate against hindus, is that forcing you to sin?
Again, Christians aren't being required to accept Hinduism or practice it or treat it in any special way, but we are being required to treat homosexuality as normal and no longer call it a sin. You are being asked to treat them exactly the same. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10045 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
What has happened is that we are now required to actively deny that it is a sin and accept the idea that it is just a normal sexual variation, No, you aren't.
but the main thing is that we are required to treat gay marriage as valid. In the same way that you are required to treat hinduism as a valid religion.
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Taq Member Posts: 10045 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
I'm not required to treat Hinduism as a "valid religion," whatever that means. Yes, you are, in the same way that you are required to treat homosexual marriages as valid.
Far as I know I can call Hinduism a satanic idolatrous religion without being treated like a criminal. But the same is not true if I say the Bible calls homosexuality a sin and makes gay marriage a violation of God's marriage ordinance. No one is being arrested for calling homosexuality a sin. There is no law that would jail people who call homosexuality a sin. You are making this up. You may remember that lying goes against one of the 10 Commandments.
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Taq Member Posts: 10045 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Seems to me that the SCOTUS decision on gay marriage is already a fulfillment of my prediction that we bet about before, that things would get worse for Christians over the next few years or something like that. How have things become worse for christians because of that decision? Nothing in the SCOTUS decision dealt with discrimination against homosexuals on the parts of individuals or businesses. In most states you still have the ability to use your hatred of homosexuals against them.
Christians seem to be a target of all the gay marriage action but it may take a while before it plays out in any clearcut way. Nothing in the lives of christians changed one wit because of the SCOTUS decision.
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