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Author Topic:   Religions are fairy tales for adults. Should we encourage them to grow up?
Faith 
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Message 56 of 424 (766824)
08-22-2015 10:06 AM
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08-22-2015 9:56 AM


I was thinking of entrapment and vandalism. However, I see you prefer sodomy over the religion that built Western Civilization in the latest fashion of putting evil for good, sin over innocence. That being the case I bow out.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 57 of 424 (766826)
08-22-2015 10:29 AM
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08-22-2015 9:56 AM


And again your argument itself shows the likelihood of persecution of Christians.

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Message 61 of 424 (766845)
08-22-2015 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Dr Adequate
08-22-2015 11:29 AM


"Challenging a Christian business" just means asking for service for a gay wedding which of course the business will refuse ..
Not necessarily: even Christians will sometimes follow the teachings of Jesus and the law.
Jesus and God's law are represented by the entire Bible. Bible-believing Christians will refuse to validate gay marriage because it's very very clear in the Bible that that would violate God's law and Jesus' teachings.
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Message 65 of 424 (767009)
08-25-2015 8:24 AM
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08-25-2015 7:56 AM


Faith
Do you think you would be able to stone people for sexual crimes?
Your bible call for that.
Are you also ready to stone unruly children?
Why do you think Christians never advocate for biblical law to be the law of the land?
The cheekiness plus ignorance of unbelievers is tiresome. I've spent the last thirty years since I became a believer learning about the history of orthodox Christianity, how the law was fulfilled by Christ among other things, only to have to put up with this kind of stupppidity from people who know nothing, deny everything orthodox Christianity teaches and advocate aggressive measures against true believers on the basis of the unspiritual opinions of the fallen mind. Blech. But that will be what the End Times religion is made of, so I guess I have to chalk it up to fulfilled prophecy.
Sexual crimes undermine community, and blur the meaning of marriage as a reflection of the uniting of Christ with His Bride. You may think them trivial; God does not.
Yes, ancient Israel was given the responsibility of prosecuting capital violations of God's Law by the method of gathering together the community to stone violators to death. The laws were designed to protect the community from sins that could spread through it and undermine it. That would include the arrogant disobedience of children. Except it wasn't children, it was young adult offspring that were to be stoned to death for their refusal to obey. Ancient Israel was God's chosen people, representing Him in the world against all the other nations that followed the religions invented by the devil since the Fall. Having the entire community come together to stone to death the violators was a way of giving cohesiveness to the community, to impress on them the immediacy and importance of violations of His Law, and give them no escape from their own personal responsibility for upholding it. AND to teach us all how seriously God takes violations of His Law.
When Jesus came His own obedience and death on the cross paid for all violations of the law, AND the Chosen People were now believers in Christ, no longer the blood descendants of Abraham, not a nation that could have its own laws in the world separate from others, but a people scattered among all the nations and subject to their laws. We are no longer under the Law given to the Israelites.
No, I will not read any of your links.
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Message 67 of 424 (767013)
08-25-2015 9:39 AM
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08-25-2015 9:22 AM


I corrected the word "children." It means offspring but older offspring, like the sons of Eli whom Eli wouldn't correct, so God took the lives of all of them.
Capital punishment is also a picture of God's own punishments for sin, intended for us to learn how seriously He takes sin.
If you won't take anything I say seriously I guess you'll have to learn it from Him when the time comes.

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Message 69 of 424 (767015)
08-25-2015 10:05 AM
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08-25-2015 8:04 AM


You misrepresent me. I'm no more "worried" about "what gays are doing" than the sins of heterosexuals. The reason gays are the focus so often here is the attempt to make their sin into something normal and to push "gay marriage." If you want to focus on hetero sins, yes they are also sins, but nobody is trying to make them normal yet.
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Message 70 of 424 (767016)
08-25-2015 10:09 AM
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08-25-2015 9:42 AM


Eye for an eye is indeed an obvious expression of perfect justice, which is what criminal prosecution should aim for. I suppose you are going to go on and claim that Jesus rescinded that concept of justice, but He didn't, not as the definition of criminal prosecution, only as the standard for individual treatment of sins against oneself. I can turn the other cheek for an insult to myself; a slap on the cheek being an insult, but the justice system must actually execute justice for the sake of society. Two entirely different contexts that unbelievers love to confuse.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 73 of 424 (767019)
08-25-2015 10:50 AM
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08-25-2015 10:27 AM


As I believe I said, God is trying to teach us what HE regards as serious sin, worthy of capital punishment. We'll never get so our laws won't reflect it, but there it is.

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Message 75 of 424 (767021)
08-25-2015 10:59 AM
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08-25-2015 10:54 AM


No, as I just said, His equation IS perfect justice though it escapes us.

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Message 81 of 424 (767049)
08-25-2015 2:20 PM
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08-25-2015 11:57 AM


Ringo, I already answered that claim, I'm not going to answer it again.

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Message 82 of 424 (767050)
08-25-2015 2:23 PM
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08-25-2015 11:49 AM


Yes, perfect though I can't see it because my faith tells me God can't do anything that's not perfect.
I really don't want to see people suffer, but sometimes I can't wait at leest to see God tell off some people on Judgment Day. It will make me very happy to see Him tell you how wrong you are and you have to take it.

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Faith 
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Message 85 of 424 (767065)
08-25-2015 5:29 PM
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08-25-2015 5:07 PM


The God of the OT says, Come now, and let us reason together, [Isaiah 1:18]
How can literalists reason with God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?
Reason and logic are not incompatible with faith. Only unbelieving ignorami think that.
Hebrews 11:6: But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
''
Also, hate is a good thing when you hate the things God hates. You call things evil that God calls good, and vice versa.
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Message 87 of 424 (767067)
08-25-2015 8:04 PM
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08-25-2015 5:43 PM


Righteous hatred is a good thing.
But nobody could hate anything as much as you hate God and His truth.

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Message 92 of 424 (767073)
08-25-2015 8:33 PM
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08-25-2015 8:26 PM


Refusing to recognize gay marriage is now a crime.
No, it isn't.
Funny then that Christians seem to agree that it is.
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Faith 
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Message 96 of 424 (767077)
08-25-2015 8:40 PM
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08-25-2015 8:33 PM


You misrepresent me. I'm no more "worried" about "what gays are doing" than the sins of heterosexuals. The reason gays are the focus so often here is the attempt to make their sin into something normal and to push "gay marriage."
How is that any different than celebrating the rights of hindus to worship deities other than those allowed by the Bible?
Nobody is requiring Christians to practice Hinduism, but we are being required to accept homosexuality as normal and to recognize gay marriage as valid.
If you want to focus on hetero sins, yes they are also sins, but nobody is trying to make them normal yet.
It isn't normal for US citizens to be hindus? If christian law were enforced, would they be banned from being hindu?
You aren't making any sense. Again, Christians aren't being required to accept Hinduism or practice it or treat it in any special way, but we are being required to treat homosexuality as normal and no longer call it a sin.

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