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Author Topic:   Existence of Noah's Ark
riVeRraT
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Message 32 of 256 (144367)
09-24-2004 3:00 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by BONES
09-15-2004 12:32 AM


According to you, he only needed one amino acid to start the entire list of species over again, lmao.

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Message 34 of 256 (144399)
09-24-2004 8:56 AM
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09-24-2004 3:42 AM


It was a joke.

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Message 35 of 256 (144404)
09-24-2004 9:20 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by BONES
09-15-2004 12:32 AM


On a more serious note, I once saw a Christian TV show that claimed that the ark would indeed hold all the species of the earth, and that there was room enough left over for the dinosaurs.
I was wondering if this was actually correct or not. We know the size of the ark, can we figure out how much space the 18,000,000 species would actually need?
Lets assume they will all live in harmony, since God sent them there.
Lets not include the freshwater species since how the flood happened, if it did, has not been determend by science yet. I feel as though if it rained hard enough to flood the earth, provided there was enough water, that the water over land would still be fresh water, and higher than sea level, because it would be draining back to the sea. So all water dwelling creatures would be able to survive a flood.

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riVeRraT
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Message 37 of 256 (144512)
09-24-2004 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by crashfrog
09-24-2004 11:24 AM


18 million wasn't my number.
Hres a thought though. If it is 8 billion, divide that into the amount of years scientists think earth was around 4.6 bilion, and you get almost 2 new species every year appearing. Do we see that?

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Message 41 of 256 (144557)
09-24-2004 9:30 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by NosyNed
09-24-2004 5:21 PM


Re: a small correction
Actually since life hasn't been here for the whole 4.6 gyrs it would be more like 3 per year.
I knew that, but didn't go there.
So if so many of these are happening, are we witnessing it?

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riVeRraT
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Message 44 of 256 (144612)
09-25-2004 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by Rrhain
09-25-2004 12:37 AM


No rhain, if what I am saying has any truth to it, I mean I really don't know, its just a thought based on what I see around where I live.
I live on a very steep mountain of about 500ft. If we get a rain storm here of just 4" in one day, then the entire hill floods. The water not only pours down the streams, it starts coming out of the ground everywhere.
If you could picture the mountain as being a giant sponge. Once the sponge cannot hold anymore water it starts coming out from everywhere. I'm sure that the hydrostatic pressure under the ground must be intense, with 500ft of alttitude behind it. I have seen the water actually spray out of the cracks in my driveway. My driveway has a slope of about 30 degrees.
So this is only after only one day and 4" of rain.
What if something here in earths history caused the oceans to produce so much rain over the land, that the run-off couldn't keep up with the rain.
You say that it would immediatly drain off. But if you measured it, I think it takes about a day for the water to get from where I live to the sea, which is about40-50 miles from here. So you can see the potential for the water backing up. Just how much rain would be required for this to happen to biblical proportions, I do not know.
I wish I could make a computer model of what I am saying to cleary show you guys.

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riVeRraT
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Message 45 of 256 (144613)
09-25-2004 8:55 AM
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09-24-2004 9:39 PM


Re: Witnessing
Well one place we could look is at deseases in humans, and the rate at which they pop-up.
I wonder why its only the simple life forms that pop up so rapidly. Besides of the obvious answer of complexity.

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riVeRraT
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Message 48 of 256 (144634)
09-25-2004 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by jar
09-25-2004 10:09 AM


Again, I will explain to you.
The way I am saying it, you wonldn't need as much water as you are claiming it would take to flood the earth, as all the water would not be at the same level, due to run-off. Just like water at the top of the stream is not at the same level as the place it filters into.

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riVeRraT
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Message 53 of 256 (144805)
09-26-2004 8:43 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Rrhain
09-25-2004 5:48 PM


Wow, again you have just turned around everything I said, and you don't get it.
Tell your precious mountain wouldn't flood after 3 feet of rai, rhain.
And since the earth surface is 73% water, the ocean could drop in proportion, and not expose that much land that wouldn't be covered by run-off.
And how on earth do you think the run-off couldn't keep up? Rain comes in droplets. Runoff comes in rivers
Why don't you ask the people liveing in flood plains.
Why does my mountain flood, and the incline is 30 degrees?
Why is there every any floods at all?
If the most direct route is blocked for whatever reason, the water will find another way to go. Water flows. If something is in the way, it flows around the obstacle.
Because water backs up, duh. It can only run-off so fast.
Again ask the people living along the mississippi if water backs up, even though it can run-off.
Or stay in my basement during a flood time on my mountain, and see if your feet don't get wet.
You just don't get it.
There are engineers that specialize in what I'm saying. It is a major concern for every slope, hill, plain. I guess we don't need these people, because water always runs off right rhain?
I'll give you the answer, first: In order to flood the earth, it requires three times more water than currently exists on earth.
No it doesn't. Thats what I'm saying. Your to stuck in what you think is right, as if you had all the answers. You need to wake up and realize that there could be another way of something happening, one that you couldn't think of.
How could you possibly pretend to know exactly the only way the earth can flood? Thats closed mindedness, which is un-scientific.
You are essentially trying to determine the volume of a shell covering the surface of a sphere.
No I am NOT, I am trying to calculate run-off.
You don't need to. Your problem is that you keep thinking locally rather than globally.
No, I want to think globally. I'm not saying I know what could have caused this condition, but if it did happen, how would it look?
It could rain over land, and not rain over the oceans. How, I don't know, thats a separate part of the theory, or thought. If the oceans were hotter than all the land, this could happen right?

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riVeRraT
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Message 54 of 256 (144806)
09-26-2004 8:44 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Rrhain
09-25-2004 6:01 PM


Why do you duplicate your answers?
I can't believe your logic sometimes.

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riVeRraT
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Message 59 of 256 (144915)
09-26-2004 9:02 PM
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09-26-2004 9:14 AM


OMG, you guys are just not reading what I wrote.
Why do I have to explain it again?

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riVeRraT
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Message 60 of 256 (144916)
09-26-2004 9:04 PM
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09-26-2004 9:19 AM


Actually, Rrhain is very, very good at formal logic and math.
Rhains logic is very flawed. I have proved this time and again. I will continue to do so.
There is no need for duplicate answers to the same problem, it does not make him twice as right, thats poor logic.

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riVeRraT
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Message 61 of 256 (144917)
09-26-2004 9:05 PM
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09-26-2004 10:09 AM


I handily admit that I am not a physicist.
Then I am not interested in what you have to say, you are a waste of my time.

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riVeRraT
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Message 62 of 256 (144921)
09-26-2004 9:06 PM
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09-26-2004 10:19 AM


But before you open that door, Monty gives you a choice. Suppose you chose Door #1. Monty, who knows where the prize is, shows you Door #2 to show you a goat. He offers you the chance to change your mind and take Door #3.
Do you? Why or why not?
Who cares.

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riVeRraT
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Message 66 of 256 (144989)
09-27-2004 9:03 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by Rrhain
09-26-2004 9:08 PM


Be prepared, I am going to start a new thread proving that your logic is flawed.
I would love to converse with you on this subject, but you always seem dead set on proving me wrong no matter what I say, or explain.
You try to accomplish this by taking things out of context one by one, and say if this is wrong, then all he has to say must be wrong, and then write off every thought I ever had has being foolish, or driven by religion.
I find this extremely illogical.
You don't understand what I am trying to explain, because you are so deaad set on believing the flood never happened, or you just didn't really read what I wrote.

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