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riVeRraT
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Message 196 of 256 (147148)
10-04-2004 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 192 by arachnophilia
10-04-2004 3:25 AM


Re: Ararat & the Black Sea
Thats great, but thats a Goddunit answer.
Which is also fine with me. God can do anything he wants.
He can create and destroy anything, just by speaking it.

All we are trying to do is casually see if there is enough water on the planet to actually flood the planet. Science says there isn't. I say there might be, not totally sure, beacuse its a relativly large world compared to my feeble mind. I make this hypothesis based on observations I see around me.


and the rat has been known to make a few doozies in his time.

Care to share what doozies you are talking about. About the only one I can think of is the stupid common sense thread, which I still stand by my statment. Other than that, I quote the bible, and get percecuted.
If I wasn't a Christian, this thread would be totally different.


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riVeRraT
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From: NY USA
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Message 197 of 256 (147149)
10-04-2004 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by edge
10-02-2004 11:41 PM


Re: Ummm...
Its not totally amazing, because I used to do the same thing. But I wouldn't start sticking my neck out and speaking for them.

He displays anger in his posts. What for? Because he thinks I'm stupid? Or because I am a Christian?


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CK
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Message 198 of 256 (147153)
10-04-2004 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by riVeRraT
10-04-2004 9:25 AM


Re: Ararat & the Black Sea
I don't think it's anything to do with you being a christian - I think it's because (and I will be totally blunt here), your posts are of such low quality that people are not really left with much room to move in terms of reply.

most of your posts just seem to arrive straight off the top of your head and (for reasons I can't quite fathom) you seem totally unable to grasp what people are saying to you in their detailed rebuttals.

You just pile absurity on top of absurity - the problem of People boiled alive by the amount of energy release? - well maybe gravity was lighter before the fload etc etc.

This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 10-04-2004 01:35 PM


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crashfrog
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Message 199 of 256 (147174)
10-04-2004 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 195 by riVeRraT
10-04-2004 9:16 AM


This helps me, not disproves what I'm saying

If you think so, then you got the wrong answer.

Floodwater is dirty and filled with life. It puts more living things than were in your basement to begin with.

When its moving at 100 miles per hour.

Then it's a fun waterslide but still not particularly lethal. Also I don't know exactly how you got "100 miles per hour." Just making up numbers now, are we?

And its 40 days and nights, not a few hours. Where did you get a few hours from, care to explain that logic?

Where is the water coming from to rain for that long? If you took 7 feet of water from the oceans, like you said, and suspended it in the atmosphere as rain, it would be gone in a few hours.

You haven't posited enough water to rain for 40 days. The place where I got a few hours is your own argument.


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riVeRraT
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Message 200 of 256 (147268)
10-04-2004 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by CK
10-04-2004 9:44 AM


Re: Ararat & the Black Sea
Boiled alive, if thats true would disprove my theory. But being boiled alive is only a theory by rei. Other things may factor in, that would allow cooling of the atmosphere.
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riVeRraT
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Message 201 of 256 (147269)
10-04-2004 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by crashfrog
10-04-2004 11:59 AM


Its a constant cycle that last for forty days.
Its called raining.
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CK
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Message 202 of 256 (147273)
10-04-2004 7:15 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by riVeRraT
10-04-2004 7:00 PM


Re: Ararat & the Black Sea
quote:
Boiled alive, if thats true would disprove my theory. But being boiled alive is only a theory by rei. Other things may factor in, that would allow cooling of the atmosphere.

See this is the problem - you don't seem to understand what you are saying. For that for to be true (and thus for the flood to occur) would require quite different laws of physics than actually exist.

If you want to say "goddunnit" - say that, why dance when you don't know the steps?

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Coragyps
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Message 203 of 256 (147278)
10-04-2004 7:42 PM
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10-04-2004 7:03 PM


Its a constant cycle that last for forty days.
Its called raining.

It's exactly that cycle that requires a constant source of heat - lots of heat - to evaporate all the water that's going to make clouds. And then the vapor must give up that heat to something - probably not the vacuum of space, though - in order to condense and fall. Ain't gonna work, RR. Not with real physics and thermodynamics, unless you're willing to boil Noah.
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crashfrog
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Message 204 of 256 (147280)
10-04-2004 7:46 PM
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10-04-2004 7:03 PM


Its a constant cycle that last for forty days.

So, just by magic it keeps raining?


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riVeRraT
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Message 205 of 256 (147284)
10-04-2004 7:53 PM
Reply to: Message 202 by CK
10-04-2004 7:15 PM


Re: Ararat & the Black Sea

See this is the problem - you don't seem to understand what you are saying. For that for to be true (and thus for the flood to occur) would require quite different laws of physics than actually exist.

For you and crash frog. If you were following along, you would have read, that I wasnot going to discuss what would actually cause the flood. Only if it rained like I said, what would happen, and how exactly would the earth look.

After we figure out if it is at all possible, we can discuss what would have caused it, and what Noah saw from his view point.

This is only a casual discussion, I don't really care either way if the flood occured or not. I managed to learn something in the process, what rei was saying about the atmosphere heating up.


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crashfrog
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Message 206 of 256 (147286)
10-04-2004 7:55 PM
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10-04-2004 7:53 PM


After we figure out if it is at all possible

It isn't possible, though. We just covered that. There's no way to sustain that kind of precipitation cycle. You get a few hours of rain, and then you're done. That's not a flood.


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riVeRraT
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Message 207 of 256 (147287)
10-04-2004 7:59 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by Coragyps
10-04-2004 7:42 PM


I understand that perfectly. Lets see what rainfall amount wouldn't boil Noah, and what that would do to the earth.

Why wouldn't the heat be given up to space?
If something was heating the oceans up just enough to cause this condition, wouldn't that increase atmospheric pressure over the ocean, and expand it into space further?
I also don't think that it would require that much of an increase in the tempurature of the ocean to make this happen, at least not boiling. Look at what happens with el-nino. Imagine if that was 10 times worse, what it would to do the weather.

Yes I am just throwing around numbers, sorry.


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DrJones*
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Message 208 of 256 (147292)
10-04-2004 8:29 PM
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10-04-2004 7:59 PM


Why wouldn't the heat be given up to space?

Radiation is by far the least efficient form of heat transfer, heat would radiate out into space but at such a slow rate that the heat left in the atmosphere would cook anyone on earth.


*not an actual doctor
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jar
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Message 209 of 256 (147294)
10-04-2004 8:36 PM
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10-04-2004 7:59 PM


Why wouldn't the heat be given up to space?


Aslan is not a Tame Lion< !--UE-->

Edited by jar, : fix image


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arachnophilia
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Message 210 of 256 (147370)
10-05-2004 12:58 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by riVeRraT
10-04-2004 9:25 AM


Re: Ararat & the Black Sea
Thats great, but thats a Goddunit answer.
Which is also fine with me. God can do anything he wants.
He can create and destroy anything, just by speaking it.

did you miss the end of my post? it's not a god-dun-anything answer. it was a question of what the bible said, and the bible says god opened the windows of heaven and the wells of the great deep, and flooded the entire earth.

All we are trying to do is casually see if there is enough water on the planet to actually flood the planet. Science says there isn't. I say there might be, not totally sure, beacuse its a relativly large world compared to my feeble mind. I make this hypothesis based on observations I see around me.

the bible doesn't say the water came from the earth. it came from outside their known universe. the stars, the sun, and the moon, all existed on this big dome called "heaven" or "the firmament" that divided the waters above from the waters below. god broke both seals to flood the land (earth).

this water was the water that existed before creation, and from which everything was created. it surrounds the the earth kind of like a giant inside-out snow-globe.

arguing over whether or not there's enough water on the planet right now is silly for a number of reasons:
1. the ancient hebrews didn't think of the planet in the same way
2. the text implies that water came from outside of heaven
3. of course there isn't enough water on the earth today, otherwise we'd have a huge flood on our hands.

Care to share what doozies you are talking about.

none come to mind just now, but most of your posts in general tend to be rather absurd. i don't mean any offense; it doesn't get much doozier than what i just posted. but then, that's what the bible says, i'm not claiming it to be accurate.

Other than that, I quote the bible, and get percecuted.

actually, i've been persecuted by both christians and athiests alike for my beliefs. one christian member practically called me blasphemous for saying things about god he thought to be degratory, even after i posted every single verse backing every claim up.


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