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LamarkNewAge
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Message 306 of 506 (823500)
11-11-2017 12:27 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Faith
09-08-2015 8:37 AM


DUPLICATE.
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LamarkNewAge
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Message 307 of 506 (823501)
11-11-2017 12:28 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Faith
09-08-2015 8:37 AM


Catholics are honest on marriage issues.
First of all, Catholics actually try to be honest about what the scripture says about divorce, as prominent Protestant scholars will admit.

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The enforced celibacy of priests is not in scripture or the early church either. In fact if you're going to say Peter was the first Pope you have to ignore the fact that scripture clearly says he was married.

But Priests aren't in the New Testament anyway, and Catholics make the honest point that it is "tradition" that brought the New Testament "Bible" that all European Christians have today.

The celibacy is part of rules that the early Church (by and large) instituted, and they are honest about that.

And Paul preferred celibacy btw.

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1 Corinthians 7

25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.

26 I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be.
....

31...this world passeth away.

32 But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord:

33 But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife.

34 There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

35 And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend


Then.

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Bible-based Protestant Christianity is at least consistent in sticking to what the Bible says. There may be disagreements about what it says on minor points but there isn't any of this making things up and changing doctrines to suit the times.

I don't see hardly any evidence for what you say.

Paul knew that eating meat was extremely offensive to a massive chunk of the world, and was IMO a vegetarian (Jerome rejected the Apocrypha and otherwise preferred the "Bible" you hold Faith, and from it he felt Paul was a vegetarian)

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1 Corinthians 8

12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.

13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.


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Although early Christian vegetarianism appears to have been downplayed in favor of more "modern" Christian culture, the practice of vegetarianism appears to have been very widespread in early Christianity, both in the leadership and among the laity. Origen's work Contra Celsum quotes Celsus commenting vegetarian practices among Christians he had contact with.[26] Although not vegetarian himself and vehemently against the idea that Christians must be vegetarians, Augustine nevertheless wrote that those Christians who "abstain both from flesh and from wine" are "without number".[27]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_vegetarianism


Here was what the 2nd century pagan Celsus said of Christians

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If in obedience to the traditions of their fathers they abstain from such victims, they must also abstain from all animal food, in accordance with the opinions of Pythagoras, who thus showed his respect for the soul and its bodily organs.

Jerome had contact with Jewish Christians (WHO STILL EXISTED) and he knew they were vegetarian. He even read their Gospel of Matthew.

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Jerome, Lives of Illustrious Men, Ch.3

Matthew also called Levi, apostle and aforetimes publican, composed a gospel of Christ at first published in Judea in Hebrew for the sake of those of the circumcision who believed, but this was afterwards translated into Greek though by what author is uncertain. The Hebrew itself has been preserved until the present day in the library at Caesarea which Pamphilus so diligently gathered. I have also had the opportunity of having the volume described to me by the Nazarenes of Beroea, a city of Syria, who use it. In this it is to be noted that wherever the Evangelist, whether on his own account or in the person of our Lord the Savior quotes the testimony of the Old Testament he does not follow the authority of the translators of the Septuagint but the Hebrew. Wherefore these two forms exist “Out of Egypt have I called my son,” and “for he shall be called a Nazarene.”


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Jerome, On Matt. 12:13 (398 AD)
In the Gospel which the Nazarenes and Ebionites use (which I have lately translated into Greek from the Hebrew, and which is called by many (or most) people the original of Matthew), this man who had the withered hand is described as a mason, who prays for help in such words as this: ‘I was a mason seeking a livelihood with my hands. I pray thee, Jesus, to restore me mine health, that I may not beg meanly for my food.’


Hegesippius (of the 2nd century) was the first to mention the Gospel of the Nazarenes and he said Matthew and James were vegetarians.

Every Jewish Christian sect that I know of was vegetarian.

Protestants don't care one bit about early Christianity.


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Message 419 of 506 (870892)
01-26-2020 12:49 AM


Constantine did not bring the Greek Logos into Christianity.
He did essentially kill those who rejected the 100 A. D. Gospel which later was attributed to John.

Constantine enshrined the European Christianity that develops strongly as the second century progresses

He no more invented the current situation that calls itself Christianity than Martin Luther and King James did.

Fundamentalism accepts the Greek philosopher's Logos not because of Constantine and Pope Damascus from the fourth century Roman Empire but because of the early second century Gospel of John which was presented as a writing from a Jewish Christian who Jesus himself knew and loved. That means that fundamentalists have views that largely predate Constantine. In part at least.

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