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Phat Member Posts: 14865 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I'm a bit confused.
![]() On the one hand, you continually rhetorically ask your opponents whether they have ever "read" the Bible....which shows a smugness concerning your basic arguments....which you use the Bible to support. Yet on the other hand, you tell us that " all of the various bibles contain false statements, fiction and contradictions.". Labeling much of the New Testament as written by redactors and "salesmen", you conveniently set any argument up for denial based on those assertions. We have heard your pet theories and stories time and time again...about how God lies...the serpant tells the truth...etc ad nauseum. My point is that your belief and explanation of what the Bible means and its relevance to humanity today is itself a made up story. We can all agree that humans wrote it. What gets me is why some humans "make stuff up" while other humans "explain in context"...,.from a book that is nothing more than writings from earlier humans. Im proud of Faith for having patience in these discussions. Im sure she is learning something through these arguments, but I'm not as convinced that you are. You are set in your ways and in your beliefs, and if you cant see the Bible talking to you in any way other than how you feel makes logical sense, why criticize others for doing the same thing? Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 14865 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
These types of arguments frustrate me. They are always the same...Im starting t react the same way Faith does....chalk that up to a psychology study
Edited by Phat, : No reason given. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith An atheist is someone who has no invisible means of support~Bishop Fulton J.Sheen
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Phat Member Posts: 14865 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith An atheist is someone who has no invisible means of support~Bishop Fulton J.Sheen
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Phat Member Posts: 14865 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Yes, I cannot deny that. Belief is partially a cultural meme, but it also stems in some cases from individual experience. The Sasquatch hunter must surely be aware that he has not caught any yet. Why he would want to keep hunting for something never seen is puzzling. Perhaps he has a Sasquatch Hunters support group.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith An atheist is someone who has no invisible means of support~Bishop Fulton J.Sheen
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Phat Member Posts: 14865 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
![]() Trump brought up the term fake news and many of his followers believe it. And to be fair, you have a point in that we (humans) tend to defend the religion of our parents and culture. I would argue, however, that the origin of most major belief systems was not willfully made up. Whether or not the Creator of all seen and unseen is made up or not can not be proven one way or another. I do think that you can willfully imagine whether or not you want Him to be real, however. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)
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Phat Member Posts: 14865 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
What does a Zen Deist see?
![]() Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)
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Phat Member Posts: 14865 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
jar claims that Christians will be judged by what they do. Calling out the majority of professing Christians as being ignorant and killing the faith of weaker believers will likely require an explanation before God some day. And protesting that he does many little "good thing" like taking out the neighbors trash and putting shopping carts back in the corral will not carry enough weight to offset the damage he does through his pen. I am not God and cannot imagine what jars encounter with the Risen Christ will be like but i know that God respects the humble and resists the proud. All of jars fancy book learnin, critical thinking, and arrogant public commentary against other believers will likely be weighed against whatever good the gun toting Texan has done. As Christians we need to pray for him rather than belittle him...though it is tempting.
![]() Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
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Phat Member Posts: 14865 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
So why isnt the scripture from Genesis not simply an opinion also? Why do you always pick on her? Do you feel it is your call? Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
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Phat Member Posts: 14865 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
*Shakes head* No. No, I don't believe you. Your alternative explanations are as bankrupt as what you claim the theological arguments contain. To begin with, you have to support the assertion that most of them are willfully ignorant. Next, you have to show indications that they are liars. Finally, you have to show me why the churches are making stuff up. Surely there are at least a minority of true believers in those churches who would blow the whistle and tell the others to stop. Now. Granted, a hot iron has recently seared my conscience. As I have allowed myself to rant about the demise of the US Middle Class(mainly myself) and the unfairness of it all, I began to get in touch with my inner emotions and feelings. Oh yes, I was "saved" at one point. Scripture tells me I have not lost this gift, but my behavior suggests otherwise. I am finding selfish, indifferent, greedy, and ungodly feelings within my soul. Part of it is because of my recent blindness in one eye, plus overall aging. I feel that life has been unfair, and I am considering the implications of there being no rescuing God. It scares and infuriates me. I would just as well nuke the planet, because if I don't get blessed, why should anyone? These feelings are not of God. He tells us to love our neighbor as ourselves and to consider others better than ourselves. The list goes on. One thing I do know for sure. Salvation is a gift---we cannot earn it. And if God chose to give it to those who never worked for it, this would NOT be a copout. It would be a miracle. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
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Phat Member Posts: 14865 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
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Phat Member Posts: 14865 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
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Phat Member Posts: 14865 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Of course, I can't prove it objectively, but I might add that the same "counterfeit" spirits affect you and I and everyone else at times, though not to the degree as Hirohito or Hitler. My conclusion is that communion with Jesus is possible though certainly not an easy road. The very things I rant about and fight against and want to hold on to would need to be let go of. hence, when ringo accuses me of not following the message, he has a point. The evidence shows me that it is not all made up.
Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
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Phat Member Posts: 14865 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
If we were to accept your "evidence" like you did, we would become believers like you are. Humanist do-gooders who know nothing about God for sure, believe in themselves rather than in Christ's communion and power, and prone to throwing religion away. Maybe it works for you and you can be at peace with yourself, but as I said before, you believe in logic, reason, and evidence and not in a living Christ. You will again ask me what that even means, which proves you don't understand or accept it. I could ask 500 random people in most churches and they would know what I was talking about.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
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Phat Member Posts: 14865 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
It could exist, even if we made up the interaction, God could still be listening. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
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Phat Member Posts: 14865 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Look, I know you make a valid argument as to why humans make God up. It seems clear that we often imagine God to be as we want him to be. But one must stand on their belief if their belief is to have any impact or meaning in their life. Perhaps the question is this: Should we "throw away" God as *we* understand Him? If so, how could we call ourselves believers? Japan was collectively asked to "throw away" the idea that Hirohito was divine. quote: I can imagine what would happen if Jesus were to appear and tell the Nationalist Christians that He too was just a man and that they too should reject him as divine and reject the idea that they were any better than anybody else. Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
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