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Author Topic:   Catholics are making it up.
ringo
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Message 10 of 506 (768139)
09-08-2015 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Faith
09-08-2015 9:44 AM


Faith writes:

Bible-based Protestant Christianity....


Oxymoron.

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Message 47 of 506 (768217)
09-09-2015 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Faith
09-09-2015 11:50 AM


Faith writes:

Eye for eye is eye for eye not killing people.


Yes it is:
quote:
Exodus 21:23-25 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

It's all one sentence, no distinction between one and the other.
Faith writes:

It's a formula for making the punishment fit the crime. And how this makes anyone a lover of vengeance is beyond me.


Punishment = vengeance.

But of course it ISN'T about punishment at all. What part of the word GIVE do you not understand? Nothing is accomplished by TAKING and eye or a life.

Faith writes:

Christ's loving mercy doesn't save convicted criminals from punishment.


So you forgive them and then execute them? What do you think forgiveness means?

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Message 49 of 506 (768219)
09-09-2015 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Faith
09-09-2015 12:09 PM


Faith writes:

That is such a confused morass of a post I'm too tired to even try to answer it.


You're confused by direct Bible-quoted proof that you are wrong? No surprises there.

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Message 76 of 506 (768279)
09-10-2015 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Tangle
09-10-2015 4:26 AM


Re: Clarion call
Tangle writes:

Atheists have a large angry dog in this fight.


Down boy. Stay.

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Message 77 of 506 (768280)
09-10-2015 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Faith
09-10-2015 10:56 AM


Re: Original Sin
Faith writes:

A great deal of doctrine is inferred....


That's pretty much the definition of "made up".

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Message 79 of 506 (768287)
09-10-2015 1:03 PM
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09-10-2015 12:50 PM


Re: Original Sin
Omnivorous writes:

Early on, I inferred that "original sin" must be a challenge. I did my best.


If the original sin was eating an apple, that isn't hard to beat.

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Message 179 of 506 (768846)
09-14-2015 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by Faith
09-14-2015 10:31 AM


Re: Accomodationism Perpetuates Evil
Faith writes:

The talking snake isn't a myth. It represents Satan....


Yes, it represents - i.e. it isn't literal. Even you can't help being right instinctively once in a while.

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Message 218 of 506 (768977)
09-15-2015 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by NoNukes
09-15-2015 6:23 AM


Re: " ...a thousand other laws..."
NoNukes writes:

I understand that there are people who celebrate Christmas on Jan 6th because they believe that the added 10 days to the Gregorian calendar were inappropriate.


It isn't about belief. It's just that the eastern orthodox churches still use the Julian calendar for religious purposes. We have a lot of Ukrainians around here who celebrate both Christmases.

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Message 219 of 506 (768978)
09-15-2015 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by Faith
09-15-2015 12:37 PM


Re: " ...a thousand other laws..."
quote:
Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we met to break bread, Paul began to speak to the people, and because he intended to leave the next day, he extended his message until midnight.

They met because he was leaving on the next day. Presumably, if he was leaving on the fourth day, they could have met on any day before that.

quote:
1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

That doesn't appear to have anything to do with church meetings.

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Message 224 of 506 (768988)
09-15-2015 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by Faith
09-15-2015 1:10 PM


Re: " ...a thousand other laws..."
Faith writes:

It has always been understood that those are references to the day of the week the Church met for worship...


But they are not. The wording is clear: they met the day before Paul left and no other reason is suggested, nor is it suggested that their meetings followed every seventh day after that. You're making it up.

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Message 225 of 506 (768989)
09-15-2015 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 222 by NoNukes
09-15-2015 1:14 PM


Re: " ...a thousand other laws..."
NoNukes writes:

Why isn't the use of the Julian calendar for religious purposes a matter of belief?


For the same reason I'm still using Windows XP - I haven't bothered to change; I have no need to change. It isn't because I believe Windows XP is better; it's just good enough.

NoNukes writes:

Why is it considered important to use an old calendar...?


It isn't important. They just didn't bother to change. Your own quote says it's a preference, not a belief.

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Message 237 of 506 (769097)
09-16-2015 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by kbertsche
09-15-2015 1:55 PM


Re: " ...a thousand other laws..."
kbertsche writes:

Was this meeting on the first day their normal habit, or was it an unusual occurrence? We can't say for sure from this text alone.


Exactly. It's quite a stretch to use it as a basis for Sunday worship.

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Message 251 of 506 (770810)
10-14-2015 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 249 by Tangle
10-14-2015 6:36 AM


Tangle writes:

These weird and befuddled creatures will shortly announce their views to the world on matters of which they have absolutely no knowledge - sex, contraception, gender disforia, adult same sex relationships and just, well, families.


So they can be objective.

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Message 265 of 506 (771067)
10-19-2015 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by Tangle
10-19-2015 12:07 PM


Re: Making saints up
Tangle writes:

... and we're supposed to take them seriously?


No, "we" aren't supposed to take them seriously. Believers are supposed to take them seriously (one brand of believers, anyway). "We" are not required to get "our" knickers in a twist about it.

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Message 269 of 506 (771072)
10-19-2015 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 267 by Tangle
10-19-2015 12:47 PM


Re: Making saints up
Tangle writes:

Right... best not let them try to influence anybody that matters then.


Millions of people vote for conservatives. That has much more serious consequences and I take it much more seriously.

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