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Coyote
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Message 6 of 506 (768133)
09-08-2015 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by 1.61803
09-08-2015 9:58 AM


Tangle writes:

Sensing a theme here. They all make stuff up!

And always have...


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.


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Message 101 of 506 (768332)
09-10-2015 9:31 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by NoNukes
09-10-2015 8:57 PM


TRVTH?
Tangle has expressed the idea that religious doctrines must be nothing short of the absolute truth at all times.

Religions claim to have a direct line to god, and claim to have the inside scoop. The implication, or often the actual statements, are along the lines of "believe what we tell you or you are going to hell."

When that absolute TRVTH "inside scoop" changes, it casts a reasonable doubt over the entire shaman class and all of their teachings.

Scientists have no such claim on TRVTH, but rather claim "best current explanation" for their theories.

That's quite a difference in approach.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.


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Message 104 of 506 (768347)
09-10-2015 10:49 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Faith
09-10-2015 10:09 PM


Re: TRVTH?
The hundreds of made-up doctrines and practices of the RCC shouldn't bother any of them, or unbelievers either, as long as they like the Pope's politics.

But there are something like 20,000 or maybe even 40,000 different denominations, sects, or flavors of christianity. Any disagreement over interpretation is likely to result in a schism, with both sides believing they have the one and only TRVTH.

Given all of this, and the multiple tens of thousands of other religions , denominations, sects, etc. over recorded history, why should we trust any one of those to have the unvarnished inside scoop?

Particularly when they all seem to hate facts and evidence as much as vampires are reported to hate garlic.

Why should we believe any of them?


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.


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Message 233 of 506 (769045)
09-15-2015 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 232 by kbertsche
09-15-2015 8:37 PM


Re: " ...a thousand other laws..."
Why is there any question or confusion at all about this?!?

Easy!

When belief is one's guide, rather than evidence, anything goes!

You believes it, that settles it! Phooooey on evidence.

This accounts for the tens of thousands of different denominations, sects, and flavors of christianity, as well as tens of thousands of different religions throughout history.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.


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