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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I have a very strong aversion to seeing that movie but since you think it's worth it could you give a little more of an idea why you think that? Thanks.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: I have a very strong aversion to seeing that movie but since you think it's worth it could you give a little more of an idea why you think that? Thanks. It's just a good film - well written, well filmed and brilliantly acted. Up for an oscar. It isn't a whitewash either - there's some tough stuff in it.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That passage is understood to refer to Catholic practices so abstaining from meats is understood to refer to abstention on Fridays, when fish is eaten instead. I was wondering if maybe the abstention was more lengthy in other times, but Friday is the practice we were all aware of when I was growing up.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Thanks. Enough to get me to give it a look.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dwise1 writes:
I've asked that same question and got no answer.
...how do we explain Abel's burnt offerings to YHWH (AKA "God")? Yes, he got wool and possibly milk and other dairy products from his sheep, but why then kill them to make burnt offerings? dwise1 writes:
That would make more sense; God gave Adam and Eve animal skins to replace their fig leaves.
However, the earlier story was that meat eating started with The Fall; "Carpe" looks like the English "carp" which is a fish. Therefore "carpe diem" must mean "fish day", which every Catholic knows is Friday.
It would be funnier (though even worse linguistically) if it was "sieze the fish"."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Well, of course fish is meat in the Biblical context - e.g. shedding of blood. That passage is understood to refer to Catholic practices so abstaining from meats is understood to refer to abstention on Fridays, when fish is eaten instead.quote:Fish got blood. "I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Cain and Abel were after the Fall, so what's the problem with the burnt offering Abel gave? Offerings were needed for sin, sin followed the Fall.
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frako Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
So on Fridays we can only eat veggies, and octopuses, crustaceans and insects . Classified as bloodless.
Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
I wasn't sure if i had had the discussion with you specifically so I didn't accuse you of saying it - but some literalist nutbars claim that the passage in Genesis was God giving Noah permission for the first time to eat meat. Cain and Abel were after the Fall, so what's the problem with the burnt offering Abel gave? Offerings were needed for sin, sin followed the Fall. You literalist nutbars have a problem conflating the Adam and Eve story with the Cain and Abel story and the Noah story. They're different stories. They don't need to agree in every detail. Trying to shoehorn all of them into agreement is what makes your theology so stupid."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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frako writes:
You can't eat crustaceans at all. That would be like wearing a cotton-polyester shirt, strictly taboo. The same would apply to insects, including the four-legged ones, unless they have cloven hooves and chew their cud. I'm not sure where octopuses fit in in Judaic taxonomy. So on Fridays we can only eat veggies, and octopuses, crustaceans and insects ."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That DOES look like the first time God told people to eat meat, what's the problem with that? Do we have to assume that Abel ate the sacrifice he made? It doesn't say one way or the other, so if they were still under the vegetarian rule of Genesis 1:whatever it was, then he wouldn't have eaten the sacrifice.
And what's stupid about fitting all the parts of the Bible together anyway? Isn't that what one would expect if it's God's work?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The RCC seems to have decreed that fish was not the meat their tradition forbade, who am I to argue?
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
The problem is that you can't seem to get your story straight.
That DOES look like the first time God told people to eat meat, what's the problem with that? Faith writes:
Why would we not? Eating the meat would be less objectionable than wasting the meat.
Do we have to assume that Abel ate the sacrifice he made? Faith writes:
It also doesn't say that the "vegetarian rule" was a rule. God said they could eat this. He didn't say they couldn't eat that.
It doesn't say one way or the other, so if they were still under the vegetarian rule of Genesis 1:whatever it was, then he wouldn't have eaten the sacrifice. Faith writes:
It's the conclusions you draw that are stupid. Imagine the stupid conclusions if you tried to fit The Grapes of Wrath and The Lord of the Rings together.
And what's stupid about fitting all the parts of the Bible together anyway? Faith writes:
And since the stories don't fit together, we can conclude that it is not God's work. God, if He existed, would not need you to try to stitch His stories together. Isn't that what one would expect if it's God's work?"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
It just goes to show that both you and the RCC can come to stupid conclusions if you start with stupid premises. The RCC seems to have decreed that fish was not the meat their tradition forbade, who am I to argue?"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh nonsense. They put their traditions above the Bible and I'm trying to stick with the Bible. Forbidding meat is already wrong according to the Bible so if they also want to decree that fish aren't the kind of meat that's forbidden there's nothing to tell them they're wrong about that either.
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