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natabelas
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Message 1 of 34 (770133)
09-30-2015 1:47 AM


I'm very impressed and very motivated to share a text that I read now:

http://functionspace.com/...-at-the-history-of-computing.pdf,

the text speak about two questions the first part is about how create a AI different from a turing machine (all AI works are based on turing machines including those that use quantum computation), here the authors are specialized, and are doing a very interesting work on electromagnetic fractal computation based conscious machine

http://www.mdpi.com/2078-2489/5/1/28

(where they are applying practically their ideas) and are founding their ideas embodied in the brain

http://www.nature.com/articles/srep07303,

where they inspired. Altrought I am very interested on that theory, and I am listing and ordering works that going to support that theory (of the electromagnetic mind), one part here other part there, in

http://emmind.science,

here I would like to give attention to the second part of the text, the one that speaks about evolution (it start in page 10)

Is not a very scientific text, in a classical scientific paper form, but it was very funny and poetic to read for me, and it resonates with that I have in mind about important questions of our site on the universe.

That is why I post this in the hope that someone resonate with the text too..

Here some quotes:

"Birth of a life form is by which a single pulse creates another pulse before disappearing for a particular clock, if we travel inside that clock we will find that a whole resonance chain is mirrored during a birth. Since every single resonance is dancing in the tune of a universal resonance chain therefore, evolution is a process by which a life form wants to modulate it's body's mass distribution such that it increases the density of resonance states in its chain and at the same time increase the length."

"If we believe in the resonance chain concept, then, a group of mass could generate a symmetry and link themselves at different small parts of the chain, thus a new species could born, all species do not have to come up from a single species. Millions of living species, the diversity originate from the fact that during the interaction of the resonance chain."

"Objective of life is to enrich the resonance chain, those who fail, disappear from the planet. Darwin's view of conflict of the matter is primitive, it's a dance of matter and wave. Mirroring the nature in the resonance chain is consciousness, density of allowed vibrational frequency and length of the chain determines the degree of consciousness. Brain performs only one computation in a life, it begins at the birth of a baby in the mother's womb and it ends with the death of the human life. A life is a single pulse of the lowest resonance frequency of a life form. This is the same with the universe too."

"...we proclaim that "perfect killing machines do not rule the world", "the more conscious does", this simple argument is sufficient enough to prove that Darwin's struggle for survival was an illusion, the killing of animals never destroys either of them. The definition of life that Darwin took into account. Nature never selects the better killing machines, nature select better conscious machines."

" There is no tree of life, an attempt to find similarity between the simple and the complex life structure there is only one chain of resonance. The Darwin's theory of evolution is alive because of the beautiful movie plots, the data we have is a similarity in the organs of different species and we cook a story of struggle for transformation one species to another [11]. The theory of conversion of a fish into a four legged animal contains multiple such stories where far distant pictures are real and the stories are simply our imagination, when we will have more evidences of similarities, the tree of life created by Darwin will turn into the bush and then it will turn into a sphere, since lines coming out of the connecting points will cover everything. On the other hand, if we have a resonance chain [9], a very particular local part of the chain is selected for the life to form due to the constraints in the environment, then the materials and symmetries to be generated will have similarities, but they could originate from different routes independently."

Something may be changing in science when someone working at MIT write those paragraphs

Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Gave all the links their own line, with space around them.

Edited by natabelas, : Fixed: "AI" instead of "IA"

Fixed: "AI" instead of "IA"


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natabelas
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Message 9 of 34 (770176)
09-30-2015 11:40 PM
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09-30-2015 5:43 AM


why woo
why woo?

only you read the mini-presentation to say no no no,

I remind you that linked text

http://www.mdpi.com/2078-2489/5/1/28

in the post, speaking exactly about that.

And here some hints in to the EMMind question:

There already are several theories that deal specifically with this principle for example:

The CEMI Field Theory: Closing the loop
http://epubs.surrey.ac.uk/763034/1/mcfadden_JCS_2013(a).pdf
The origins of the brain's endogenous electromagnetic field and its relationship to provision of consciousness
http://www.worldscientific.com/.../10.1142/S0219635214400056
Superradiant coherent photons and hypercomputation in brain microtubules considered as metamaterials
http://www.researchgate.net/.../5562358208ae8c0cab3333b4.pdf

it is not a new idea ...
The Electromagnetic Nature of Life - The Contribution of W. Sedlak to the Understanding of the Essence of Life
http://www.kul.pl/...cownicy/wnuk/artykuly/Wnuk_i2001s32.pdf

... but in recent years much progress is being made and there are at least one team developing a practical way, a machine with intelligence based on electromagnetic fields:

Design and Construction of a Brain-Like Computer: A New Class of Frequency-Fractal Computing Using Wireless Communication in a Supramolecular Organic, Inorganic System
http://www.mdpi.com/2078-2489/5/1/28

All this is supported from other branches of biology that may not directly address the consciousness but may be related to this if you have in mind what has been said so far:

-all related to morphogenesis:
Electromagnetic resonance and morphogenesis
http://www.trnres.com/...lscontent/T_143056136016%20fels.pdf
Membrane Patterns Carry Ontogenetic Information That Is Specified Independently of DNA
http://bio-complexity.org/.../view/BIO-C.2014.2/BIO-C.2014.2
Cracking the bioelectric code: Probing endogenous ionic controls of pattern formation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3689572/
Electromagnetic Fields as Structure-Function Zeitgebers in Biological Systems: Environmental Orchestrations of Morphogenesis and Consciousness
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4224074/

-the use of electromagnetic fields for recognition between biomolecules:
On the role of electrodynamic interactions in long-distance biomolecular recognition
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1403.2477v2.pdf
Is it possible to detect long- range interactions among biomolecules through noise and diffusion?

-and related to this the resonant recognition model:
Is it possible to predict electromagnetic resonances in proteins, DNA and RNA?
http://www.biomedcentral.com/...nt/pdf/s40366-015-0020-6.pdf
Novel Cosic resonance (standing wave) solutions for components of the JAK–STAT cellular signaling pathway: A convergence of spectral density profiles
http://www.sciencedirect.com/...rticle/pii/S2211546315000200

-electrical properties of DNA:
Electric DNA and Mind
http://jonlieffmd.com/blog/human-brain/electric-dna-mind
Searching for Electrical Properties, Phenomena and Mechanisms in the Construction and Function of Chromosomes
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3962117/

all this would help explain a number of surprising issues, such as:

How Do Cells Know What Size They Should Be
http://jonlieffmd.com/...cells-know-what-size-they-should-be
Intelligent Cells Know Their Place
http://jonlieffmd.com/.../intelligent-cells-know-their-place
Virus Tricks Manipulate the Cytoskeleton
http://jonlieffmd.com/...-tricks-manipulate-the-cytoskeleton

etc, etc.

It is also mentionable the special characteristics of water in biological systems (in any system in which there are many walls between water molecules in fact) and its behavior when affected by electromagnetic fields.
Illuminating water and life: Emilio Del Giudice
http://www.researchgate.net/.../559e358b08ae76bed0bb6e32.pdf

Also there are other lines of research that may be associated in some way with all of the above and are all studies on electromagnetic fields applied to biological systems on medical or experimental way and their non-thermal effects. And also it has to be point the unwanted effects of radiations emitted by technological and industrial era.

90% of the papers of the web are from peer review journals, it is only an alternative view (for me with more sense that others) please dont insult.


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Message 10 of 34 (770177)
09-30-2015 11:44 PM
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Re: but ...
I dont see star trek, i think that is fiction

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Message 11 of 34 (770178)
09-30-2015 11:48 PM
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09-30-2015 6:19 AM


In ten years there was great advances... and various discoveries if yo can read..

what is your believe? chemical happy party?


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Message 18 of 34 (770223)
10-01-2015 10:53 PM


pssss
I see..

ye have no any kind of argument, the text I put at the start is written by two active scientists one working at MIT and those have published in Nature and because your materialism of the "chemistry is everything" do not like, simply you seek to ridicule insulting to me personally.

Perhaps you dislike that has a spiritual air, but I also dislike your materialism.

You believe that the normal and proper should be yours and I think that your way of seeing things are missing a few fat pieces.

Well, I do not like to continue discussing whether it is just insulting .. and see who is cooler (or child)


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Message 20 of 34 (770225)
10-01-2015 11:19 PM
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You say:"Our chemicals organize our circuits, not vice versa."

I disagree,what is important is physics, for instance here:

Endogenous bioelectrical networks store non-genetic patterning information during development and regeneration
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/...3/jphysiol.2014.271940/pdf

it can be read:

" Studies reveal that the exact channel or pump used to trigger such morphological changes is often irrelevant – many sodium, potassium, chloride, or proton conductances can be used as long as the appropriate bioelectrical state is reached."

PD: I dont know english insults so you are at upper level, woo-hoo.


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Message 30 of 34 (770293)
10-03-2015 9:09 AM


well, to see if I can explain better ..

first, targeting high, would be the reference text (at present and as I see it):

Design and Construction of a Brain-Like Computer: A New Class of Frequency-Fractal Computing Using Wireless Communication in a Supramolecular Organic, Inorganic System
http://www.mdpi.com/2078-2489/5/1/28

In which there is talk of creating an intelligent computer based on the computation by resonance between electromagnetic fields that are structured in a fractal way from low to high scale (and hence different frequencies), ranging from interaction with the field generated by biomolecules to large scale (eg brain) by the synchronized action of neuronal firing. They have based their theory (which have already developed some practical section when read) on how works the human mind and actually themselves are finding clues pointing in that direction as the total control (regardless of chemistry) of microtubular growth using electromagnetic fields:

K protein self-assembly via tunneling current: effect of electromagnetic pumping during spontaneous growth of microtubule
http://www.nature.com/...41203/srep07303/full/srep07303.html

However, apart from the work they have done, for me it is important to see if it can be found important functions of electromagnetic fields on biological systems and at different scales, because if these exist and have an important role may be nothing more and nothing less than a reflection of the fields at different scales pointted above, that is, a reflection of consciousness at different levels.

First, I think it should be noted the water as a fundamental part of the biological systems and because its interaction with electromagnetic fields is not trivial at all. In fact this may be the origin of the complexity, here are some texts on the subject:

" Emilio and other colleagues extended conventional QED theory to the condensed phase of liquids. They show that interaction between the vacuum electromagnetic field and water induces coherent excitations that lead to the formation of large, stable coherent domains (CDs) about 100 nm in diameter, resulting in the condensation into the liquid phase at some critical density. These CDs are present in liquid water at ordinary temperature and pressure, and may be responsible for all the special properties of water including life itself (Arani et al., 1995; Del Giudice, 2007; Del Giudice
Q6 and Vitiello, 2006; Del Giudice et al., 1988, 2010a,b). Each CD of water is effectively a resonating cavity produced by the electromagnetic field that ends up trapping the field because
the photon acquires an imaginary mass, so the frequency of the CD electromagnetic field becomes much smaller than the frequency of the free field with the same wavelength."

" EZ water appears to be 10 times more viscous than bulk water and its refractive index and density about 10% higher. It has many other distinctive properties indicative of structure, including a characteristic peak of light absorption at 270 nm. Emilio and colleagues (Del Giudice, 2007; Del Giudice and Q6 Vitiello, 2006; Del Giudice et al., 2010a,b) suggested that EZ water is a gigantic coherent domain stabilized on the surface of the attractive gel, although the higher density of EZ water rules out the tetrahedral-directed ice-like hydrogen bonds proposed for water in the coherent domains in free solution. Pollack (2013) has indeed proposed an entirely different structure for EZ water."

taken from:

Illuminating Water and Life
http://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/16/9/4874/pdf

also

" The frequency of the trapped EMF lies in the infrared (IR) region of the spectrum. The oscillation
of the electron clouds of water molecules participating in the coherent dynamics pushes one electron per molecule just below the ionization threshold. Therefore CDs become pools of quasi-free electrons. The presence of a large number of quasi-free electrons in the CDs is the first step of the process allowing coherent water to become an electron donor, this process implying the additional dynamics described in the following."

from:

The origin and the special role of coherent water in living systems
http://emmind.science/...enous_Fields-Mind/General/EZ_Water_(QED_related)/2014_The_origin_and_the_special_role_of_coherent_water_in_living_systems.pdf

An much more with experimental proofs

Exclusion-Zone Dynamics Explored with Microfluidics and Optical Tweezers
http://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/16/8/4322/htm
Study of the Phase States of Water Close to Nafion Interface
http://www.waterjournal.org/volume-4/bunkin
etc, etc,

Then there are the fields generated by Frohlich modes in different macromolecules

" in Frohlich model vibrational-polar modes are excited by a continuous supply of energy pumped by an external source, while these modes interact with the surrounding medium acting as a thermal bath. The interplay of these two effects—pumping of energy subtracting entropy from the system and dissipative internal effects adding entropy to the system—may lead to the emergence of complex behaviour in the system consisting in what can be called Frohlich effect ¨ : Provided the energy supply is sufficiently large compared with the energy loss, the system attains a stationary state in which the energy that feeds the polar modes is channelled into the modes with the lowest frequencies. The latter largely increase their populations at the expenses of the other higher-in-frequency modes, in a way reminiscent of a Bose–Einstein condensation [7]. This highly excited subset of modes may exhibit long-range phase correlations of an electret type [8].

Frohlich’s synchronous large-scale collective oscillations imply inter-cellular microwave emissions
which would constitute a non-chemical and non-thermal interaction between cells. These oscillations could therefore be revealed by detection of emissions of GHz or THz radiation."

Those have observerd for example in microtubules

" It has been shown that, on application of 1–20 MHz radio-frequency pulses to a heat bath with tubulin dimers, microtubules can assemble orders of magnitude faster in time, suggesting that ultrafast microtubule growth occur through radio-frequency-induced resonant excitation and alignment of tubulin dimers into a cylindrical shape. Besides, the spontaneous emission of coherent 3.1–3.8 MHz signals has also been observed during the subsequent GTP-induced polymerization, and it was found that the resulting microtubules exhibit length-independent electronic and optical properties. Moreover, additional resonance levels were observed when small-molecule drugs bind to tubulin’s docking sites during radio-frequency-induced assembly."

texts extracted from

Fröhlich Condensate: Emergence of Synergetic Dissipative Structures in Information Processing Biological and Condensed Matter Systems
http://www.mdpi.com/2078-2489/3/4/601/htm

There are other possible macromolecules that are related to these emissions including DNA whose solitons are numerous studies. More related texts on

Impact of mitochondrial electric field on modal occupancy in the Fröhlich model of cellular electromagnetism
http://informahealthcare.com/...10.3109/15368378.2012.735207
Nonlinear phenomena of Fröhlich phonons in biololgical media
http://sfm.asm.md/moldphys/2013/vol12/n34/ins_16_rotaru.pdf

And closely related to the next section

Investigating encounter dynamics of biomolecular reactions: long-range resonant interactions versus Brownian collisions
http://www.trnres.com/...lscontent/T_143402261411%20fels.pdf

Yes, there are several issues as different biomolecules interact within the body; within cells is such that there are several possible ways to choose either signaling way that whilst undergoing energy function:

" Studies reveal that the exact channel or pump used to trigger such morphological changes is often irrelevant – many sodium, potassium, chloride, or proton conductances can be used as long as the appropriate bioelectrical state is reached."

from:
Endogenous bioelectrical networks store non-genetic patterning information during development and regeneration
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/...3/jphysiol.2014.271940/pdf

the widespread belief so far is that in the cell medium biomolecules are subject to Brownian motion in which by chance and through a key-lock function interact. However there are some inconsistencies, as they actually have to interact molecules appear ¿¿¿attract remotely??? and the number of reactions is too high to be random only. So ther have been suggested some theories (Resonant Recognition Model with experiments confirmating it) so you can see some papers:

Campos electromagnéticos planares permiten explicar el acople entre péptidos y moléculas de HLA-II
http://www.scielo.org.ar/scielo.php?pid=S0325-29572015000...
Cosic’s Resonance Recognition Model for Protein Sequences and Photon Emission Differentiates Lethal and Non-Lethal Ebola Strains: Implications for Treatment
http://file.scirp.org/Html/3-1850109_52972.htm#
Combined Spectral Resonances of Signaling Proteins’ Amino Acids in the ERK-MAP Pathway
Reflect Unique Patterns That Predict Peak Photon Emissions and Universal Energies
http://www.scipress.com/ILCPA.43.10.pdf
On the role of electrodynamic interactions in long-distance biomolecular recognition
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1403.2477v2.pdf

also in relation to other molecules, there is speculation that I found interesting that arises in the hallucinogenic drugs as some functions in relation to its fluorescence:

" Also the hollow microtubules (neurofibrillae) could act as light guiding structures. According to Jibu et al. their inner diameter of 15 nm is ideal for light guidance free of thermal noise and loss. Other findings that may be of importance in this context, are the strong flurescence properties of the major hallucinogens: LSD, bufetonine, dimethyl-tryptamine, psilocybine, psilocin, iboguanin, harmine, cannabidinol and mescaline. Furthermore it has been shown that hallucinogenic properties of these substances have a direct correlation to their fluorescence properties and their readyness to donate electrons. As hypothesis we propose that the fluorescence interacts physically with the proposed Biophoton mediated cell to cell communication thus producing hallucinations."

Biophotons, hallucinogens, and fluorescence
http://www.sciencedirect.com/...rticle/pii/S0924933811729078

leading to talk of biophotons;It has already been found that they can have a direct relationship with neurons (despite generated in all types of cells) and brain functions.

Convergence of Numbers of Synapses and Quantum Foci Within Human Brain Space: Quantitative Implications of the Photon as the Source of Cognition
http://www.ilcpa.pl/...oads/2013/10/ILCPA-111-2014-59-66.pdf
Spatiotemporal Imaging of Glutamate-Induced Biophotonic Activities and Transmission in Neural Circuits
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3893221/
Ultraweak photon emission in the brain
http://www.researchgate.net/.../55eed2c108ae0af8ee1a5229.pdf
Emission of mitochondrial biophotons and their effect on electrical activity of membrane via microtubules
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1012/1012.3371.pdf
etc, etc..

this involves, along with those generated by other (water, frohlich modes, biomolecules) another layer of electromagnetic fields with specific functions, which contains information and can be part of the total conscious field of the biological system.

It should also be noted that the DNA has electrical characteristics that can react with the electromagnetic field

Electric DNA and Mind
http://jonlieffmd.com/blog/human-brain/electric-dna-mind
Searching for Electrical Properties, Phenomena and Mechanisms in the Construction and Function of Chromosomes
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3962117/

In several texts included in my web http://emmind.science referring also to the possible relationship of DNA with Biophotons, and also on possible solitons in its structure, adding DNA and chromatin to the very possible (and logically necessary) participants on the informative interaction of electromagnetic fields.

It is also noted that the morphogenesis also be a consequence of these electromagnetic information fields on one way or another (and their settings form part of the consciousness of the system).

Morphogenetic fields in embryogenesis, regeneration, and cancer: Non-local control of complex patterning
http://sites.tufts.edu/biip2012/files/2012/05/Levin2012.pdf
Biomechanical and coherent phenomena in morphogenetic relaxation processes
http://old.chronos.msu.ru/...S/igamberdiev_biomechanical.pdf

more speculative, less tested, they are the texts of Alexis M. Pietak, but I find those interesting

" Similar to the abutilon ovary and squash male flower bud, cells in the female squash ovary in regions that correlate to highest electric field strength have changed into placental tissue cells, while
the six places of high magnetic field strength are also the six places where ova form in the squash ovary."

from:

Electromagnetic resonance and morphogenesis
http://www.trnres.com/...lscontent/T_143056136016%20fels.pdf
Structural evidence for electromagnetic resonance in plant morphogenesis
http://www.omecha.org/...les/Pietak_Biosystems_EMflowers.pdf

To be ending there are several theories linking at least some form of electromagnetic field with consciousness

The CEMI Field Theory: Closing the loop
http://epubs.surrey.ac.uk/763034/1/mcfadden_JCS_2013(a).pdf
An integration of integrated information theory with fundamental physics
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...912322/pdf/fpsyg-05-00063.pdf
The origins of the brain's endogenous electromagnetic ¯eld and its relationship to provision of consciousness
http://www.worldscientific.com/.../10.1142/S0219635214400056

and it is not a new idea

The Electromagnetic Nature of Life - The Contribution of W. Sedlak to the Understanding of the Essence of Life
http://www.kul.pl/...cownicy/wnuk/artykuly/Wnuk_i2001s32.pdf

however, seems to me more complete the theory being proposed in the paper cited at the beginning

Design and Construction of a Brain-Like Computer: A New Class of Frequency-Fractal Computing Using Wireless Communication in a Supramolecular Organic, Inorganic System
http://www.mdpi.com/2078-2489/5/1/28

because is more integrative and include multiple frequencies at multiple scales, I think is the ultimate idea and that makes more sense.

Finally all this leads to a panpsiquista view of consciousness, a philosophy that despite being ignored in modernity has much older tradition (although personally I do not care too much because the former is also wrong often meaning that neither is a fact in favor or against) and strictly modern, still recovering in these times (say postmodern). The idea that a fundamental entity in this case the photon is the first piece of consciousness, the smaller part, a proto-conscious impulse, and that more or less ordered sets of these (the electromagnetic fields in this case) generated consciences more or less complex, including a temporary self.

Some texts on this philosophy

Panpsychism and Panprotopsychism
http://consc.net/papers/panpsychism.pdf
In Defence of Strong Emergentist Panpsychism
http://philpapers.org/archive/SYMIDO.pdf
Mind and matter
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.4161/cib.26658
Realistic monism: why physicalism entails panpsychism
http://web.ics.purdue.edu/...sonRealisticPhysicalism2006.pdf

PD: related to the origin of life and its organization I find interesting as being related to the explained ideas, the following papers of Gargi Mitra-Delmotte and Asoke Nath Mitra

Field-control, phase-transitions, and life’s emergence
http://journal.frontiersin.org/...3389/fphys.2012.00366/full
Softening the “Crystal Scaffold” for Life’s Emergence
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1108/1108.0309.pdf

that is, the conscious impulse orders the matter and this in turn generates more complex consciousness. (For my life and consciousness it is the same, there are only varying degrees of complexity).

PD2: I REPEAT IF ANYONE DONT READ that the reference is the theory that is developed in this paper:
Design and Construction of a Brain-Like Computer: A New Class of Frequency-Fractal Computing Using Wireless Communication in a Supramolecular Organic, Inorganic System
http://www.mdpi.com/2078-2489/5/1/28
(which incidentally two of the authors are who created the text on evolution presented at the beginning of the post)

I can put more clues on this, but is sufficiently long ¿no?


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