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Author Topic:   A New Run at the End of Evolution by Genetic Processes Argument
JonF
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Message 18 of 259 (770710)
10-13-2015 9:05 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Faith
10-12-2015 11:45 PM


Re: Numbers of mutatons are irrelevant
Nope, as I just laboriously proved
You argued for your position. You offered no real-word evidence or reference to any or indeed any connection to anything but your own uninformed opinion.
As usual.
That's not proof.

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JonF
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Message 23 of 259 (770718)
10-13-2015 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Faith
10-13-2015 9:53 AM


Re: No lack of evidence
Evidence: loss of genetic diversity necessary to getting pure breeds.
In your opinion. {citation required for the loss being necessary; that's what you are trying to prove.}
Evidence: loss of genetic diversity result of population splits in the wild.
In your opinion. {citation required; let's see the data.}
Evidence: You can't get new phenotypes unless you get rid of alleles for other phenotypes
In your opinion. {citation required}
Evidence: Cheetah, unique cat with fixed loci, which is the end result of loss of genetic diversity in the formation of new species. It could be created by one drastic bottleneck or it could be created by a series of population splits occurring from each former daughter population.
In your opinion. {citation or data or explanation required for "could be created"}
Evidence: Pod Mrcaru lizards whose large heads and new digestive system formed within thirty years of reproductive isolation on an island where they had been released. Evidence of what happens by reproductive isolation alone over a short period of time. We can assume drastically reduced genetic diversity from the simple fact that only five pairs of lizards were the founding population.
In your opinion. {citation required}
Evidence: Jutland cattle evolved four different races or species by reproductive isolation alone over a very short period of time. Evolution works fast. It creates new subspecies by eliminating the alleles for other phenotypes. The four different subspecies of cattle in this case may still possess sufficient genetic diversity for further evolution. or they may not.
In your opinion. {citation required}
SO far it's just unsupported claims. Of course you cannot produce anything more than that.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 40 of 259 (770744)
10-13-2015 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Faith
10-13-2015 1:14 PM


Re: Contributed absolutely nothing??
I listed my evidence in Message 20.
I notice that you have not replied to the two messages pointing out that message 20 does not contain evidence, it only contains your own opinions.
What is the real-world data that supports your opinions?
(Hint: there is none)
I've also many times proposed a laboratory experiment that would demonstrate loss of bgenetic diversity over a number of population splits, and also suggested that just taking another five pairs of Pod Mrcaru lizards and isolating them on another island would also be such an experiment. Many many many many many many times I've proposed these things.
Proposed experiments are not evidence.

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JonF
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Message 200 of 259 (771283)
10-23-2015 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by Faith
10-23-2015 1:16 PM


Re: Does Message 176 describe your argument
DSL goes over your phone line, so it does need to be connected to the phone line.
Typically any phone plugged into that line has to have a filter between it and the wall jack so only the modem sees the DSL stuff.

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JonF
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Message 223 of 259 (771837)
10-30-2015 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 222 by Faith
10-30-2015 1:21 PM


Re: Your "falsifications" are falsified
I study what I feel I need to grasp for my argument.
Many would think that understanding the words in what you study would be required.

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JonF
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Message 248 of 259 (771934)
11-01-2015 8:00 AM
Reply to: Message 245 by Faith
11-01-2015 1:49 AM


Re: Reliable Mutations
HBD, if I'm asked to explain how alleles beyond the two in the original individual were added, I have to speculate about how it might have occurred. Calling that "making things up" is just poisoning the well. ALL theories about the ancient past are "making things up" really. Everything Darwin said was certainly "making things up."
You were asked for an explanation of how so many alleles were formed. The .answer you gave was how those alleles came to be without challenging any of your preconceptions. For the most part scientists don't add that caveat.
Especially, Darwin didn't. he based his explanations on solid evidence and known physical process. Whereas you will posit any impossible and un-evidenced scenario that saves your preconceptions.

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