Is it moral for God to punish us?

Phat

And how can we think his way when Christian theology begins with the notion that God is unfathomable, unknowable and works in mysterious ways.

Tell us all what you know of the unknowable and fathom of the unfathomable.

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DL

Having the mind of Christ is a beginning. Only through Christ can GOD be understood...and even then only at the level we can handle.

of course if propaganda has convinced you to not trust the writings....

Has Christ ever said anything that could be questioned? (In other words do His teachings make sense? If not why not?

Has Christ ever said anything that could be questioned?

"Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

Has Christ ever said anything that could be questioned? "Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

Questioned on what basis?

That spiritual ignorami have no idea what he was talking about?

That the personal experience was not reported by those who witnessed it?

That the hint of it in the transfiguration that occurred soon after isn't sufficient for spiritual ignorami?

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Faith writes: Questioned on what basis?

Oh, quite a few basis.

One of them is that all those allegedly hearing what was allegedly said have factually all died in the meantime. Another one is that there's absolutely no empirical, verifiable evidence for the existence of Spooks today.There's many more.

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Phat

Sure some of what the scribes put in Jesus' mouth makes sense. But Jesus is not the same as the Christ.

I am more concerned as to if what Jesus says is moral or not. Morality is what is important in religion. Not sense, although morality usually makes sense.

But overall, Jesus did not preach a good moral theology.

Take his no divorce for women policy. It is anti-love and anti-equality and just as loathsome as some Muslim policies.

Another issue is his turn the other cheek. Would you tell the Jews walking into the ovens to turn the other cheek or love your enemy?

Only an insane person would in such a situation.

The only way I know of to understand God's thinking is to go within yourself and find out how you think. You are the only God you will ever find.

Do not be a lawyer.

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Regards
DL

Faith

"That spiritual ignorami have no idea what he was talking about?"

Which Jesus are you following?

Luke 19:27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.

Jhn 10:11; I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. ... 14 I am the good shepherd, and know my [sheep], and am known of mine.

Which quote is the false one?

Both cannot be true.

Will Jesus kill us or cure us as a shepherd would when we meet him?

Regards
DL

You assume Jesus was talking about the final coming of the Kingdom but since that didn't happen we know that is not what he was talking about. The statement appears in three of the gospels and those were used by all the churches well past the death of the apostles, which wouldn't have occurred if that statement was understood to refer to the final coming of the Kingdom of God.

It may have referred to the fullness of the realization of the gospel when the Holy Spirit was given, when the apostles themselves possessed the Kingdom of God, or even to Jesus' appearance in His glorified body after the resurrection, or even in a limited sense to the experience of the Transfiguration witnessed six days after Jesus said it, by Peter, James and John.

It makes no sense to read it to mean he was referring to the final coming of the Kingdom.

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Both are true. He died for his sheep and will at the end do away with his enemies. Sheep, enemies, two different categories.

Faith writes: It makes no sense to read it to mean he was referring to the final coming of the Kingdom.

Yes it does. It's the straightforward meaning of the words. Not only that, it was what those that heard him say it at the time also thought it meant.

You give away your 'logic' with this:

You assume Jesus was talking about the final coming of the Kingdom but since that didn't happen we know that is not what he was talking about.

The simple fact is that he claimed that the second coming was imminent and it wasn't. The conclusion is that the claim was wrong, not that everybody at the time and ever since misinterpreted what he said. It's not like it's a matter of no importance - a trivial detail. It's the biggest announcement ever made by anybody ever and yet he fucks up the message? "Sorry, I misspoke." Not remotely credible.

You assume Jesus was talking about the final coming of the Kingdom but since that didn't happen we know that is not what he was talking about.

Well, that made me laugh out loud.

I am infallible. I predict that today an elephant will fall on you. If that doesn't happen --- well, I'm infallible, so I must not have meant "an elephant will fall on you" in the sense of "you will be the subject of the unchecked descent of a pachyderm". In that case we know that I must have meant something else, and you may speculate on what.

Of course, if all my statements, no matter how apparently plain and simple, may in fact be obscure cryptic puzzles for the delight of hermeneuticians, then there's hardly any point in my making them. And the same applies to Jesus. If, by "the Son of Man coming in his kingdom" he didn't mean the Son of Man coming in his kingdom, then what reason do we have to think that when he said "love thy neighbor as thyself" he meant that you should love your neighbor as yourself? Maybe he meant that you should buy a bassoon and play it aggressively at squirrels.

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...decided it's not worth it.

Have a good day.

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Faith

Yet Jesus the shepherd said he came for the ill and not the well and you have him killing the ill instead of curing them.

Yours is not a consistent view.

Is Jesus to kill us or cure us at the end of days?

Will he put most of us on that wide path to hell or will he expand his narrow path the heaven to take all those he cures?

Why do you have your God doing more killing than curing?

Regards
DL

Faith

Should a shepherd die for his sheep?

Is a shepherd doing the right thing towards his family if he dies for his sheep and leaved his family fatherless?

Regards
DL

Hi Dr

Dr writes: Has Christ ever said anything that could be questioned? "Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

Do you think everyone standing there died before the events of verse 38 which took place the same day?

quote:

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19:38 Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.

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These people accepted Jesus as their King. A King has to have a kingdom.

God Bless,