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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Greatest I am writes:
Canadians are not against the hijab, niqab and burka. We just booted out the government that was - and good riddance.
Is Canada becoming intolerant and fed up with religions or is there some other reason for Canadian hard line against the hijab, niqab and burka?
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
That probably will happen. It only takes one lunatic to start a fire. That doesn't justify in any way your claim that the majority of Canadians feel that way.
Let us hope that no fire ever finds a Canadian mosque or school with female children in it.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
I didn't say anything about Santa Claus either, or any other fictional entity. We're talking about Canada. Why do you make up such nonsense?
Strange that you call the fire starter a lunatic yet say nothing of the officials who prevented the girls from exiting the burning building because they were not wearing their slave apparel. Greatest I am writes:
If those "officials" existed, they would be perpetrators too. That would be a very small number of people, not the majority of Canadians as you claim.
You speak of the perpetrator and not the victims.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
If you have a point, make it. I never follow your links. I'm at a library computer and I can't watch videos. If they existed? Did you follow that link? Do you think it fiction? Are you saying that somebody set fire to a Muslim school in Canada and that the school officials didn't let the girls out without their hijabs? I must have missed the news that day.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
You're all over the map. In Message 8, you talked about fires in Canadian mosques or schools. In the OP, you talked about a Canadian "hard line against the hijab, niqab and burka". I'm saying there is no "large majority in Canada" who would outlaw the hijab, niqab and burka. Do you have any evidence that there is?
It was information from Saudi Arabia.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Greatest I am writes:
If you impose a dress code on Muslim women, you're not just aiming at oppressive men. You're also denying women the right to wear the hijab, niqab or burka if they want to. Muslin men need a wake up call and banning their oppression of their women in how they dress, to me, is a good place to start. There are all sorts of social pressures on people of all genders and/or cultures. Many people pressure their children to go to college. Are you going to ban colleges to prevent that "oppression"? If somebody says they want to go to college or wear a hijab/niqab/burka, I'm inclined to take their word for it instead of accepting your claim that they're being oppressed. (By the way, I don't think I've ever seen a burka in person but I see a niqab once in a while and I see hijabs every day. I see hijabs on women wearing anything from floor-length dresses to jeans. They don't all seem to be that "oppressed".)
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Geatest I am writes:
By all means. Let us also hope that Froot Loops rain down from the sky like manna. I said ---"Let us hope that no fire ever finds a Canadian mosque or school with female children in it." But the post that you were (supposedly) responding to asked you to back up your claim that there is a "large majority in Canada" who would outlaw the hijab, niqab and burka. Are you ever going to do that? Are you going to show us the Canadian "hard line against the hijab, niqab and burka"?
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Greatest I am writes:
And what about the few who are NOT forced? You want to force your will on them. Ask them. Most will say they are forced by either their husbands or peer groups. We've been through this before in another thread: Prohibition doesn't change behaviour; it just drives the behaviour underground. If you force women to go bareheaded in public, their husbands can still oppress them in private.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
And they don't end slavery by banning chains.
Free people do not tolerate slavery in their land.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Porosity writes:
If I wore a burka, you wouldn't know. ..Would ringo wear a burka or a beard? (I'll tell the story again: My avatar used to be Lee Van Cleef from The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. One of our members suggested that we should all try to understand what it's like to be gay by going through Valentine's Day without mentioning the gender of our partner. With my characteristic inability to follow instructions, I decided to become gender-ambiguous instead and I adopted Sharon Stone from The Quick and the Dead as my avatar. Later on, I switched to Sean Connery from The Hunt for Red October because that's more like what I really look like. But people seem to prefer Sharon Stone, so I switched back.)
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
Are you being deliberately evasive? I asked you to show that there is a large majority in Canada that would outlaw the hijab, as you claimed in the OP.
Yes. I will show the hardest line I can against the oppression of women and the signs of slavery I see in Canada.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Greatest I am writes:
What does that accomplish? Forcing Muslim men to make a pretense of equality in public is likely to make some of them more oppressive in private, not less.
I cannot do much for private abuses but can certainly do something to change the attitudes of Muslim men in public. Greatest I am writes:
But you're saying that "they" SHOULD be coming for the Muslims. YOU are the one who's advocating suppression of a minority by outlawing their cultural practices.
"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." — Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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I think the election is a more credible poll than yours.
Also interesting in your link:
quote:Does she sound oppressed to you?
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Greatest I am writes:
You're the one who wants to deny women the right to make their own choice. What is more important to you? Protecting the culture of female oppression and ownership by men or the Canadian culture of freedom for women from ownership of men? Edited by ringo, : Fixed quote.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Greatest I am writes:
I didn't forget that. It isn't true. Only a minority of Muslims even support Sharia . The woman I quoted is an example of one who doesn't.
You forget that Islam's agenda is always to try to have Sharia as the law of the land. Greatest I am writes:
One of those hard-earned standards is welcoming people with diverse backgrounds and ideas.
If they do not want to live by our hard earned standards then they can stay the hell away. Greatest I am writes:
Do you like Islamophobes?
Do you like homophobes and misogyny?
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