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Message 5 of 508 (772427)
11-14-2015 4:16 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Coyote
11-13-2015 10:21 PM


Halt the immigration? Prudent??? But but but that would be racist!!!! That wouldn't be politically correct!!! No no no we must let more of them in. We must pretend these are truly refugees and give up everything for them and pretend it's just a tiny minority of .... well somebody else I guess... that's doing the bombing. And the raping too that's going on all over Europe. We must give up our own living spaces for them.
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Faith 
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Message 7 of 508 (772429)
11-14-2015 4:36 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Tangle
11-14-2015 4:28 AM


God doesn't look so great today, does he?
I wasn't going to mention it, but it's because Europe has rejected God that Islam is flooding in. Being invaded by enemies is one of the judgments of a nation that God spells out in Deuteronomy and Leviticus. (Economic collapse is another -- Greece?) There's no point in mentioning it because it will only get more scorn and derision and cause for judgment coming from people here. Even Coyote who at least sees the reality of the situation won't accept this as the cause of it because it's all just a tribal delusion according to him. But I can just about guarantee you that if Europeans in significant numbers turned back to the God of the Reformation the judgment would abate. If that doesn't happen you can count on more attacks.
But at least a few people are willing to admit that Muslims are not a good thing for Europe. That's a start.
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Message 9 of 508 (772431)
11-14-2015 5:35 AM
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11-14-2015 5:23 AM


Allah is NOT the same God Tangle. He has nothing in common with the God of Abraham. He's one of Satan's inventions.
Religion? When people say that are they thinking at all of the atheist state-caused murders of the last century?
However, Satan DOES do this sort of thing. Sometimes in the guise of a religion, sometimes in the guise of an atheist state.
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Message 11 of 508 (772433)
11-14-2015 6:07 AM
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11-14-2015 5:56 AM


Well, there you have it, the very attitude that is going to keep the attacks coming. Sigh.

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Message 13 of 508 (772435)
11-14-2015 7:29 AM
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11-14-2015 7:19 AM


Are you suggesting that Christian nations are safe from Islamic terrorism?
There aren't any Christian nations any more, but if there were, genuinely Christian nations I mean, nations that committed their safety into God's hands, nations whose leaders prayed and obeyed God's commandments as used to be the case with many European nations and the US as well, preferably the leaders but a large number of citizens might suffice, yes, they'd be safe from terrorism and God's judgment in other forms.
And, with regard to the judgement coming, isn't this judgement something you would welcome? If not soon when would you prefer it to happen given that you presumably consider it an inevibility?
I don't want judgment to happen at all, judgment kills people and makes life miserable.
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Message 17 of 508 (772441)
11-14-2015 8:43 AM
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11-14-2015 8:01 AM


Judgment is avoidable by repentance and turning back to God.
There was never a perfect Christian nation, but there have been good Christian leaders of many nations at different times. There aren't any these days. I have no idea what period you are talking about though.

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Message 18 of 508 (772442)
11-14-2015 8:49 AM
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11-14-2015 8:21 AM


Re: A Few Details
I don't think we can make it stop in the near or medium term. It could take generations. What actions could we possibly take that will stop people wanting to blow themselves up and take as many others with them as possible in the name of God?
abe You can't stop that, but you can keep them out of areas where blowing themselves up will kill innocent people. That's what Israel tries to do, and more or less succeeds, though politically correct world opinion is against them. THAT's the biggest problem in this whole thing, that you aren't allowed to keep murderers from murdering people because of political correctness. /abe
We can't disprove their religious beliefs. Appealing to their humanity doesn't seem like a particularly worthwhile endeavour.
Cut the money supply. But how?
Cut the propaganda chain. But how?
Solve the Middle East territory dispute pertaining to Israel and Palestine. But how?
End the indoctrination and brainwashing of children. But how?
End the notion that all of this is Gods will. But how?
It's religious fanaticism mixed up with geo-politics, ancient conflicts mixed up with modern wars and a military conflict with no recognisable enemy territory.
If it goes on long enough the fanaticism that the desired outcome (whatever that may be - some sort of global Islamic theocracy?) is just around the corner will lose credibility even amongst the devoted and then it might start to die out naturally.
I not optimistic about this.....
Of course not. There's nothing to be optimistic about as long as the real causes are not faced, and the main problem not being faced is that Islam itself preaches the murders you want to stop. Not that all Muslims are murderers, some aren't even aware that this is what their religion preaches, but it does and that's why any Muslim is a ticking time bomb.
As for actions, based on the above knowledge, and the knowledge which is available in all kinds of Muslim official pronouncements that their aim is not to stop short of forcing the whole world to bow to Allah, the only solution is sending them all back where they came from. Really. And keep armed and ready against them. When they see they haven't the power to execute Allah's will they become docile. But you have to force them into that position.
As long as Political Correctness ties the hands of the victims nothing will ever be done about it.
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Message 20 of 508 (772445)
11-14-2015 9:30 AM


I believe that atrocities like this are bred from circumstances of despair and hopelessness and a sense of powerlessness.
NO! Absolute nonsense. Politically correct psychobabble. The problem is that Islam is an ideology that preaches violence and death against outsiders. THAT is the problem. Any other analysis is only going to prolong the problem.

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Message 32 of 508 (772462)
11-14-2015 1:18 PM
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11-14-2015 10:25 AM


As does Christianity. The difference is that Christianity manages to ignore its more revolting ideas and was reformed through secular and economic development. Islam has not been reformed and the worst parts of it are still practiced literally in under-developed countries with low education.
Like Christianity, it's going to take centuries to grow up and grow out of its worst aspects. And like Christianity it'll take a few more centuries to merge into a fuzzy sort of general niceness with little reference to its fundamental idiocies.
I don't know who made up that bunch of pernicious lies but it's sheer evil. There is noi comparison whatever. Islam is murder and has been from the beginning.
Hey keep your Muslims while they slaughter you. Have fun.

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Message 33 of 508 (772463)
11-14-2015 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by ringo
11-14-2015 10:50 AM


Our new government is looking at incoming refugees as an opportunity, not a problem.
Opportunity for what?

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Message 34 of 508 (772464)
11-14-2015 1:22 PM
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11-14-2015 10:51 AM


Re: A Few Details
No you can't fight them and you can't change them. The best you can do is hope to keep them out of your own country.

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Message 35 of 508 (772465)
11-14-2015 1:26 PM
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11-14-2015 11:10 AM


Re: A Few Details
WHy, pray tell, Europe? Why not go east? Why not some other Arab country? Why Europe?

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Message 36 of 508 (772466)
11-14-2015 1:28 PM
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11-14-2015 11:32 AM


Re: Response?
Governments are supposed to protect their citizens. Inviting in a horde of dangerous people is not protecting their citizens. Asking them to give up their apartments to this horde, as some have bgeen asked to do in Germany, is not protecting their citizens. Jesus never said anything to support creating dangerous situations.

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Message 37 of 508 (772467)
11-14-2015 1:30 PM
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11-14-2015 12:01 PM


Re: The problem is in our beliefs.
Hey, nobody wants to understand the reality here. Fine, I'll stay out of it.

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Faith 
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Message 46 of 508 (772480)
11-14-2015 4:29 PM


It would be nice to get one thing straight. I won't hold my breath of course. The problem isn't Muslims. Muslims aren't "bad people" any more than all the rest of us are. The problem is the ideology of Islam. They are all raised in this ideology. Some get the more "idealistic" views of jihad and think they are pleasing God by beheading "infidels" and that they are earning themselves a beautiful carnal paradise when they die by doing this service to "God." They've been taught a false idea of God and that's what makes them dangerous.
The refugees are also Muslims, or most of them are, and they are mostly young men as Coyote pointed out. Why young men? Why not women and children? Why can't they arm themselves and fight the jihadis? Why are they coming to Europe where their ideology tells them it's OK to rape nonMuslim women? And where whatever few of them get the jihadi bug are free to seek "God"s favor by murdering Europeans? Of course it's probably not the refugees who did the Paris attacks. Why aren't we hearing from the refugees themselves by the way? We see pictures of huge crowds of them, where are the interviews? We need to know who they are. We know they are responsible for the rape reports I gave on the gun control thread. That should be reason enough to send them somewhere else.
But again it's the IDEOLOGY that is the problem. They have believed a horrible lie that is going to send them not to their expected paradise but to the Hell where everybody goes who violates the commands of the true God without accepting His mercy through the death of Christ. This is the true God who revealed himself in the Bible and nowhere else. They should be warned, but they may behead you if you try. Missionaries SHOULD try nevertheless, and expect to be beheaded in the service of getting the truth to them. We need missionaries with that kind of courage.
But no sane society invites people into it who have an ideology that considers that society fair game for rape and murder by order of "God."
Oh well, as you all keep saying, my Christian belief is just as evil. Yeah Christians go around blowing up people and raping and so on too. It's all the same thing. And you like the PC psychobabble explanation of the rapes and the murders anyway, at least when Islam does it.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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