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Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Not entirely sure what you are trying to say, but I suppose you think that chapter of Jeremiah really does forbid Christmas trees?
If so, it's not true. That chapter is referring to the making of idols by the heathen nations by carving them out of wood and decorating them, to worship them as gods. There are other references in the Bible to the making of idols out of wood. It is a mocking of the idea that they are gods to describe them as unable to move or speak, in contrast with the living God of the Jews.
Jer 10:3-5 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good. Here's a Google Image page of typical carved wooden idols, which is what the Bible is referring to. And a page specifically of Canaanite gods Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3988 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
fMRI images comparing Xmasheads and others.
Story here. "If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.-Terence
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8552 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
My lack of deep knowledge of fMRI has a question.
Looking at the center image for the three sets I see no read at the crown of the Christmas group, no read at the crown of the non-Christmas group yet the is a significant reading at the crown of the image that is supposed to be the "difference" between the other two groups. So, in fMRI world the difference between no reading and no reading is a reading? Say what?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
If so, it's not true. That chapter is referring to the making of idols by the heathen nations by carving them out of wood and decorating them, to worship them as gods. There are other references in the Bible to the making of idols out of wood. It is a mocking of the idea that they are gods to describe them as unable to move or speak, in contrast with the living God of the Jews. So what if I have a Christmas tree but I sacrifice a goat to it? It's a bit of a gray area.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3988 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
I dunno--I'm just the cut-and-paste man.
But note this:
quote: Maybe they're pulling our legs. Maybe you need to take another draft of Xmas spirit. But for sure the "difference" images are weird."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.-Terence
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Tangle Member Posts: 9509 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Faith writes: Not entirely sure what you are trying to say, but I suppose you think that chapter of Jeremiah really does forbid Christmas trees? No Faith - I just thought it was funny that someone thought it necessary to stop someone else doing something harmless with a tree. Your god is a hoot.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
OK I get it now. Of course an atheist wouldn't see a problem with idolatry.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9509 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Faith writes: OK I get it now. Of course an atheist wouldn't see a problem with idolatry. Of course anyone found doing some of this evil tree decoration would go into the everlasting fire and torment of hell - that goes without saying - but would their friends and neighbours be obliged to hasten them there by stoning them to death?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It continues to astonish me how a Brit could have absolutely zero knowledge of the Christianity that made the UK great.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 92 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined:
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Of course an atheist wouldn't see a problem with idolatry Shouldn't that be 'idol a tree'....?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That's cute but I do have to point out that it isn't the tree that's the idol, it's the god images that were carved out of the wood, as I showed with the Google Image pages.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 92 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Speak for yourself. Pagan style tree worship is rife in my household at this time of year.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9509 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Faith writes: It continues to astonish me how a Brit could have absolutely zero knowledge of the Christianity that made the UK great. Sadly it was Christianity that held us back for centuries, milenia even, it took the enlightenment and the scientific revolution to make us an important force in the world. But you didn't answer my question, what happens to tree decorators?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Why should anything happen to tree decorators? Or even idol carvers for that matter?
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