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12-08-2015 12:07 PM 		Reply to: Message 5 by Tangle
12-08-2015 11:36 AM

Is Randomness inevitable?
Does this suggest...given chaos theory...that there would never be such a thing as "identical" universes??
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
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12-12-2015 9:39 AM 		Reply to: Message 19 by AZPaul3
12-09-2015 8:02 PM

Is Truth Unavoidable or is it random?
Whatever different event does happen on the second run will, of course, have had a different set of preceding events.
Im still trying to wrap my mind around the concept of determinism versus random probability. I dont think I believe in an either/or throw of the dice. I believe that the throw has been determined by a hypothetical observer.
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Please help me.
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inevitable
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adjective
1.
certain to happen; unavoidable.
"war was inevitable"
synonyms: unavoidable, inescapable, inexorable, ineluctable; More
noun
1.
a situation that is unavoidable.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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12-12-2015 10:43 AM 		Reply to: Message 28 by Tangle
12-12-2015 10:37 AM

Re: Is Truth Unavoidable or is it random?
only if any one variable is no more or less influential than any other variable.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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12-12-2015 10:50 AM 		Reply to: Message 30 by Tangle
12-12-2015 10:48 AM

Re: Is Truth Unavoidable or is it random?
Do we have a reasonable case that all variables have an equal influence?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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12-12-2015 2:42 PM 		Reply to: Message 32 by Tangle
12-12-2015 11:14 AM

Re: Is Truth Unavoidable or is it random?
The question I asked you was do you think that where a sycamore seed lands is predetermined?
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If no, then you have your answer.
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If yes, my next questions are how and why? (And you realise that if the seed's landing point is pre-determined and therefore unchangeable, your concept of free will is defunct.)
Well, I go by my slogan---I think that chance has no power to change anything....thus I believe God did it all and that all is pre-determined. So yes, I'll give up my illusion of free will for the moment. Now, however, I'm stuck with trying to explain how God has to micromanage every detail of every variable in order to create the situations that exist---and I'll admit that it all sounds unreasonable.
AbE: I even searched our database and found this discussion!
Chance moves in mysterious ways.
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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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12-14-2015 1:06 PM 		Reply to: Message 42 by Tangle
12-14-2015 9:10 AM

Re: Is Truth Unavoidable or is it random?
Tangle writes:
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It's already been said that electrons are identical. Is there only one of them then?
George Carlin seemed to think so..
The Big Electron
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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