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Author Topic:   With a dying white race, why are we not encouraging more white births?
Hyroglyphx
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Message 10 of 237 (773990)
12-12-2015 1:41 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Greatest I am
12-10-2015 8:52 PM


Race and ideology are not synonymous
Much has been written of how Muslim demographics will eventually make Europe and many other white nations Muslim nations in the future. They and other darker races are reproducing a lot more than the whites.
Ummm, I'd like to point out that Muslims are not a "race," let alone a "darker race," it's a religion and many of its practitioners are...... *wait for it*.... white.
Now, it's no mystery that many hardline Muslim immigrants in Europe have openly stated that they don't necessarily need force to take over Europe; that in a few decades they'll simply breed themselves into power.
There may be some truth to that in the sense that the European rate of fertility is extremely low. Japan is having a bit of a crisis because there are essentially missing generations. The ratio of elderly to young people is becoming extremely lopsided, which is straining an already dwindling working class.
But I digress because those are Asians, or as you might like to call them, "yellow people." In any case, they aren't "white people," and because of that you could care less.
Many in Europe are saying that our politicians have sold out to Muslims. Meanwhile a man like Trump can gain what seems to be a lot of support for a harder line against immigration.
The patronizingly liberal nature of many European nations for a long time refused to even acknowledge that there was a violent strain of Islam because to acknowledge it would be politically incorrect and racist. This was a huge mistake and they're paying for it now.
But what often happens in that vacuum rises a strain of xenophobic, racism such as, well, YOU and Trump. The inaction of the far left tends to create the proliferation of extreme rightwing radicals. And in the end, people like you and Trump fall right into the hands of groups like ISIS by doing EXACTLY what they want you to do... which is alienate all Muslims so that more and more become radicalized.
Looks like they've outsmarted you again.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 23 of 237 (774075)
12-13-2015 3:21 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Greatest I am
12-12-2015 2:14 PM


Re: Race and ideology are not synonymous
I apologize for assuming you were racist towards Asians simply because you're racist towards "dark people." I guess both of us are full ASSUMPTIONS!

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 91 of 237 (774622)
12-19-2015 11:59 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Greatest I am
12-17-2015 4:15 PM


Whites do not have the most genetic variation, Sub-Saharan blacks have more, especially when considering that it's incontrovertible that all the races developed in sub-Saharan Africa. As for the development of democracy, it may or may not have been developed by "whites" as a matter of happenstance or deliberation. But what's your point exactly -- that all races need to bow in deference to white people for introducing democracy? That's a rather elitist position to take, especially since it sounds like you're taking credit for it on account that you happen to be white.
Race is just about as nebulous as gender, and it is not something one can control, so I hardly understand why anyone can take pride in something that was not earned but rather was assigned to them in the womb.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 92 of 237 (774623)
12-20-2015 12:06 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by Faith
12-18-2015 11:39 AM


Although I shouldn't respond to this because it's technically derailing the OP, you are painting with an awfully broad brush. To accept that all Muslims are the same is to likewise assume that all Christian denominations are the same. You know that isn't true, so why do you assume that all Muslims think or behave alike?

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 94 of 237 (774629)
12-20-2015 2:20 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by Faith
12-20-2015 2:05 AM


Aren't you being selective, if not hypocritical then given the horrific atrocities within the bible? There are passages where the LORD commands them to smash infants skulls on rocks. You could drone on and on about the differences between the old and New Testament, but God is the same forever and ever, is he not?
Now, don't misunderstand me. Islam is one of the most destructive ideologies ever devised. No argument there. The issue is unilaterally banning people because of their associations with any given religion. It's the danger of becoming that which you hate. Torturing people who torture is kind of antithetical to hating it in the first place.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 97 of 237 (774632)
12-20-2015 2:35 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by Faith
12-20-2015 2:23 AM


Where do think Islam spawned from, Faith? It's all a derivative of Judeo-Christian ethics and beliefs. I'm typing on my phone and it's difficult to copy and paste passages, but go through Deuteronomy or Judges.
And how I was a Christian was because I, like you, think the ideals taught by Jesus was and is a beautiful ideal. I respect it. But his message is absolutely foreign from the horrors of the OT.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 99 of 237 (774634)
12-20-2015 2:48 AM
Reply to: Message 98 by Faith
12-20-2015 2:40 AM


Faith, lol, that's pure conjecture that it comes from a demon. When you compare apples with apples, Islam is an Abrahamic faith just like Judaism and Christianity. Now, I'm not saying that it isn't a bastardization, but Jews make the argument that Christianity is a bastardization of Judaism. And on face value that is justifiable because regardless if Jesus said he didn't come to abolish the law, he in fact did change it.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 101 of 237 (774636)
12-20-2015 2:56 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by Faith
12-20-2015 2:53 AM


We're wayyyyy off topic now, but what's your evidence that it comes from a demon named Gabriel?

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 103 of 237 (774638)
12-20-2015 3:21 AM
Reply to: Message 102 by Faith
12-20-2015 3:16 AM


So, in other words, the same arch angel discussed within Judeo-Christendom. You're making the point for me that the progenitor of Islam is Judaism.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 105 of 237 (774645)
12-20-2015 4:37 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by Faith
12-20-2015 4:17 AM


I can assure you I was a Christian. Even Jesus acknowledges, via Parable of the Sower, that people fall away for various reasons. And in some of Paul's epistles he acknowledges the same. But my sincerity in the past shouldn't be in question just because I've changed my mind in the future. I was the real deal. It was genuine and sincere for me. Ironically it was the bible itself that forced me to question itself, and my deconversion was very slow.
Anyway, agree to disagree, I guess. But whatever the case, my faith (or lack thereof), isn't really relevant to the discussion at hand.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 110 of 237 (774696)
12-21-2015 12:06 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by Jon
12-20-2015 9:05 PM


No one here is defending Islam or Muhammed. Of course it is complete and utter garbage. What saner voices are trying to remind you is that Muslims are not necessarily de facto pieces of crap anymore than Christians are or Hindus. There is a real danger in polarizing people much in the same way that we've seen with Nazism, even if there is always some justification for the resentment.
And let me remind you that this reaction of yours is exactly what hardline militants are going for. They want to create an Us vs Them atmosphere so that they can recruit moderate Muslims to full blown, rabid murderers.... And you're falling for the bait. If you hate Islam and Muslims, then you don't just have a million extremist enemies... You now have 2 billion enemies.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 128 of 237 (774750)
12-22-2015 2:16 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by Faith
12-21-2015 1:12 PM


Re: Beware of the Islamic Principle of Taquiya
This doesn't mean that all or even most Muslims are secretly conspiring for world domination. Consider how many lukewarm Christians exist who barely understand even elementary aspects of their own religion. There are Muslims who fit that same profile, where their faith is almost an obligatory response for cultural reasons.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 129 of 237 (774752)
12-22-2015 2:28 AM
Reply to: Message 118 by Faith
12-21-2015 2:15 PM


Re: Beware of the Islamic Principle of Taquiya
Sometimes it sounds tolerant, but most of the time it treats all nonMuslims as infidels
No more than the Jews towards all Goyim. Many Jews are explicitly told not to associate with the Goyim, whereas many, many other Jews don't take that to heart.
The fact that Islam legitimises deceit during war cannot be all that surprising; strategist Sun Tzu (c. 722-221 BC), Italian political philosopher Machiavelli (1469-1527) and English philosopher Thomas Hobbes (1588-1679) all justified deceit in war.
However, according to all four recognised schools of Sunni jurisprudence, war against the infidel goes on in perpetuity, until "all chaos ceases, and all religion belongs to Allah" (Quran 8:39). According to the definitive Encyclopaedia of Islam (Brill Online edition): "The duty of the jihad exists as long as the universal domination of Islam has not been attained.
Well, there is no question that the Islamic faith is a steaming pile of trash, and I do find it hilarious that many Progressives have no problem denouncing Christianity but do in fact whitewash Islam -- little angels who can do no wrong.
However, even in spite of that, you are the opposite extreme of that extreme. You're like one step away from opening internment camps and waging your own jihad. These people evidently terrify you, which is the goal of the terroristic minority. I feel sorry that they've succeeded so thoroughly in their plan.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 177 of 237 (774984)
12-26-2015 1:16 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by Faith
12-25-2015 6:28 PM


I think GIA is right that there's a general decline in the population of the "white race" somehow or other
But what does it matter either way if race is so nebulous? Race is only extant because of thousands of years separation, where distinct features formed in the absence of genetic diversity (don't worry, that comports with microevolutionary beliefs, so there should be no contention).
And what does it all mean? If blacks and Asians were procreating with one another, does every subsequent generation lose their black identity or their Asian identity as a result? Which race is necessarily absorbed by the other? If you are a biracial person from black and Asian ancestry, do you necessarily become grandfathered in as black or Asian? Or are you just a person?
The same question applies with anything else. If a German Caucasian procreates with an Irish Caucasian, which heritage is that child sacrificing? Are they necessarily losing their Germanness or their Irishness as a result?
If everybody is intermingling racial lines, why is it that only "white people" are losing their identity? That's what GIA fails to understand or explain.
Hell, we could even simplify. If a German Shepherd mates with a Doberman, what kind of breed does the resulting puppy belong to?

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 179 of 237 (774987)
12-26-2015 1:55 AM
Reply to: Message 178 by Faith
12-26-2015 1:49 AM


Not sure why you are addressing that post to me since I already said I don't think race is the issue, rather it's about culture in relation to what I think is GIA's real concern, which is the success of western civilization.
I was addressing your comment that you thought he was right about the decline of the white population. And to be clear, those questions are mostly directed to him but he wasn't around to answer them.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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