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Hyroglyphx
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Message 181 of 237 (774990)
12-26-2015 2:38 AM
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12-26-2015 2:27 AM


we're talking essentially about European culture, not race anyway
Fair enough. Well, I don't think Western Civilization is in any danger of being usurped, especially since it is the most emulated culture in human existence. Even hardcore Muslim nations or Asian nations cannot help but to emulate it. If anything, it is the exact opposite of what GIA details. Occidental culture has so thoroughly dominated the world that to suggest it is the opposite would be silly, which is why I really don't understand GIA's concerns.

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Message 182 of 237 (774993)
12-26-2015 4:13 AM
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12-26-2015 2:38 AM


Um, Islam doesn't want the free society the west created, they want oppressive Islamic law. Or off with their heads.
And Communism doesn't want the free society either, they want everyone to conform to Communist objectives. Prison or execution in that case?
Might also point out that the RC Church doesn't want the free society either, should they resume their medieval power at some point. We'll all have to subscribe to Catholic dogma or be subject to the Inquisition.
Believe it or not it's tyranny, totalitarianism, that's replacing western civilization. Toward the New World Order of course, which will be major Global Totalitarianism telling us all what to do. Or else.
Ah well, dear Hyro, you are very nave.
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Message 183 of 237 (775000)
12-26-2015 5:07 AM
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12-26-2015 4:13 AM


Odd that the two things that fundamental Christians and Muslims have in common is the belief that the end times are upon us. God bless 'em.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 184 of 237 (775002)
12-26-2015 6:48 AM
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12-26-2015 4:13 AM


Um, Islam doesn't want the free society the west created, they want oppressive Islamic law.
That's not necessarily true. There are always highly repressive Muslim nations that demand strict adherence to Shari'a, while others (Turkey, Jordan, UAE, etc) embrace almost every facet of Western Civilization. Iran and Lebanon, for instance, were a very Westernized and moderate Muslim nation until hardline militants took over.
Might also point out that the RC Church doesn't want the free society either, should they resume their medieval power at some point. We'll all have to subscribe to Catholic dogma or be subject to the Inquisition.
LOL, so you're suggesting that the Roman Catholic church wants to adhere to their medieval practices during the time of the Inquisition?
Is this your modus operandi? Just make things up about everything you don't personally subscribe to?
Believe it or not it's tyranny, totalitarianism, that's replacing western civilization. Toward the New World Order of course, which will be major Global Totalitarianism telling us all what to do. Or else.
Ah well, dear Hyro, you are very nave.
I know, Faith... The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

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Message 185 of 237 (775004)
12-26-2015 6:52 AM
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12-26-2015 6:48 AM


There are moderate Muslims but the religion isn't moderate even if some don't follow it strictly.
I've been reading and hearing a lot about how the RCC operates, which you wouldn't know about because you aren't reading and hearing about it. You speak from silly bias and total ignorance. Ever since the Reformation knocked them off their European power pedestal they've been plotting to get it back, and making a fair amount of progress despite appearances.
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 186 of 237 (775007)
12-26-2015 7:04 AM
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12-26-2015 6:52 AM


There are moderate Muslims but the religion isn't moderate even if some don't follow it strictly.
Well, isn't that the kettle calling the pot black! Read much of the bible lately, Faith?
I've been reading and hearing a lot about how the RCC operates, which you wouldn't know about because you aren't reading and hearing about it. You speak from silly bias and total ignorance.
I speak from a personal bias? I've never been Catholic and I think the Catholic Church is a complete aberration of what the message of Christianity is supposed to be.
But to suggest that Catholics are out to take away "freedom" in order to usher in a revival of the "Inquistion" is preposterous, yet you make no mention of people of your own ilk who routinely desire to restrict many, many freedoms.
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Message 187 of 237 (775009)
12-26-2015 7:15 AM
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12-26-2015 7:04 AM


Oh good grief.
Sigh.
If you become a Protestant believer you will be restricted in your ability to sin, which is up to you anyway -- it's between you and God, all your co-religionists will do is excommunicate you if you're unrepentant. If you don't become a believer Protestants don't restrict what you do, don't behead you, don't throw you in prison, don't torture you on the rack.
Sigh.
I could answer the rest but it makes me tired.
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Message 188 of 237 (775010)
12-26-2015 7:18 AM
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12-26-2015 1:02 AM


Re: Question on the OP
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Faith
You can talk about the achievements of western civilization but that isn't about race. And of course I attribute those achievements to the Christian religion, at least the Christian religion since the Reformation. But GIA hates Christianity so he's got his head tied in a knot about the whole subject in my opinion.
Coyote
True, it isn't about race. Not true about Christianity. The beginnings of western culture were in Greece, hundreds of years before Christianity.
Faith
People say that but the culture of Greece disappeared completely in Europe until the Renaissance, had no part at all in the formation of European culture to that point.
West Europeans (including Italy) saw the Ancient Near East (essentially Egypt, Palestine, and Mesopotamia but absent Greece)as their heritage until Italians discovered the Greek language and the libraries next door in Constantinople-hence the "renaissance" of classical learning and a recognition that they were heirs to Greece.
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Coyote
It can also be argued that Christianity helped bring about the Dark Ages.
Faith
Roman Catholicism DID bring about the Dark Ages, by usurping power over the various nations, suppressing the Bible and substituting its ridiculous pagan superstitions. It was the influence of the Bible after the Reformation that built up Western Civilization. The Renaissance had some influence as the ancient pagan writings were made available, but the Bible is what encouraged the orderly society that made for prosperity, and certainly the prosperity of America.
The Catholics (and the Popes) were the source for institutional funding of the rebirth in learning Greek, and they also brought chairs in universities to teach Hebrew, Aramaic, etc. Italy was the "alma mater studiorum" for post-graduate studies in the entire European world. This went on for some 200 years until the "counter-reformation" around c1500 (Im going by memory of what I read).
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Coyote
And, it is little known that the Arab world was the center of science and culture for quite a period while Europe was in the Dark Ages.
Faith
That too is a bit of politically correct revisionist history. The Arab science was limited to Spain and really didn't have anything to do with the development of empirical observational experimental science that was based on the Reformation view of the God of the Bible.
Arabs were much better at NOT burning documents (though they finished burning off what was left of the ancient Alexandrian library), tolerating religious diversity (something Catholics, Martin Luther, John Calvin, etc. couldn't bring themselves to do), and in general they helped transmit knowledge from India to the Atlantic. It was the Mongolian's that killed off the religious minorities (Zoroastrians, Manicheans, etc.) of the ancient world, though not for their religion (people were killed and robbed simply for the crime of breathing in an enemy town). Catholics were the worst at killing people for the sake of their religion. Arabs and Muslims were great at tolerating Jews, "Christians" (though they decided who was a Christian based on Catholic pronouncements, which meant Arabs didn't consider Manicheans "Christian"), and Hindus (the numerical superiority of Hindu's in India might have required it).
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This period lasted until fundamentalism took over there. That was about the same time the Renaissance was beginning in Europe, and the Renaissance was based in large part on documents preserved in the Arab/Persian world (such as the writings of Aristotle) or created in there and then translated into Latin and other European languages. This preserved knowledge was a major impetus for the Renaissance.
Faith
Yes the Renaissance had some influence but this too is mostly revisionist history to put the real influence of the Reformation in the shade. Aristotle for instance was elevated in Roman Catholicism to the point that priests were deprived of the Bible and read nothing but that pagan philosopher. It wasn't Catholicism with its pagan philosophy and superstitions that made the west the great success it became, it was Protestantism. Certainly the case in America. Why are so many trying to escape the Catholic countries South of us? Because the Catholic influence does not develop prosperous orderly societies like the U.S.
Catholics used philosophy to defend the Bible (and their doctrines) against critics. (and there were a lot of ethnic-semitic critics and they had something of a voice in Venice I think). The popes uses Thomas Aquinas' writings (c1100) to excuse away the prohibition of non-kosher food in Acts 15:20,29;21:25 (or around there). He invented the "cultic/ceremonial law concept" and divided law into national Israelite laws, moral laws, and ceremonial laws. That's why Catholic (and their Protestant followers) Christians commonly beat pigs over the head with a hammer to kill them and eat them. (or shoot them or whatever).
The renaissance saw Catholics dethrone Plato as their favorite philosopher and elevate Aristotle. Aristotle was used to defend Christian views of the resurrection. Philosophers had to be careful to support Christian doctrine though. They used a loophole "the two truths" if their study of philosophy led to promoting a view that was contradictory to doctrine.
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And Communism doesn't want the free society either, they want everyone to conform to Communist objectives. Prison or execution in that case?
Protestants supported Hitler in higher numbers than Catholics in the 1930s election (and more protestants voted for Hitler than his ally the Christian Democratic party).The admiration for Hitler seemed to be because he had views that seemed to come straight from Luther. (Hitler did deem some protestants as anti-nationalist and he rounded them up with Gypsies, Communists, Jews, etc. The enemy list included Jehovah's Witnesses, 7th Day Adventists, and even Mormons as people whose loyalty he questioned) Jews supported socialists and communists in the election because they were more into equal rights. Ho Chi Min became a communist because every other party in France was only in favor of French rights. He was heart broken when he found out that the French Socialist party was only in favor of worker rights based on race. The equality for all, regardless of race, that Communists promoted was what he admired.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 189 of 237 (775011)
12-26-2015 7:31 AM
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12-26-2015 7:15 AM


If you become a Protestant believer you will be restricted in your ability to sin.
Self-restriction is an expression of freedom. Restricting others because of Theocracy is absolutely antithetical to freedom. You want to self-restrict from gay marriage because it goes against your beliefs. That's your choice and your freedom. It becomes an issue when your beliefs trump the freedom of others... Even God himself in the bible allows for Free Will. Wonder why fundamentalists, whether Christian, Muslim, or otherwise think God is so inept that he can't restrict people all on his own -- as if he needs our help. That's what the Taliban doesn't understand. That's what fundamentalist Christians don't understand. If god grants freewill, why can't they as well?
If you don't become a believer Protestants don't restrict what you do, don't behead you, don't throw you in prison, don't torture you on the rack.
Then you are a terrible Christian, because you're not following the Word of God.
quote:
Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all — old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple. So they began by killing the seventy leaders. Defile the Temple! the LORD commanded. Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go! So they went throughout the city and did as they were told. -- Ezekiel 9:5-7
If Islam is evil because of its barbarity, then why does Christianity get a pass for the same thing? Read what it says. It explicitly states that the LORD commanded it... And if the Word of God is inerrant and unchanging then to go against this very clear order is to defy the Lord.
So you only have two logical choices. Either you're a Christian who doesn't follow the full word of God or you have to admit that the bible cannot be inerrant. You can't have it both ways.
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Message 190 of 237 (775014)
12-26-2015 8:20 AM
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12-26-2015 7:31 AM


dup
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Faith 
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Message 191 of 237 (775015)
12-26-2015 8:21 AM
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12-26-2015 7:31 AM


lf-restriction is an expression of freedom. Restricting others because of Theocracy is absolutely antithetical to freedom. You want to self-restrict from gay marriage because it goes against your beliefs. That's your choice and your freedom. It becomes an issue when your beliefs trump the freedom of others...
Yeah, you don't get this either, of course. It's the legalizing of gay marriage that is restricting US, not the other way around. We cannot treat "gay marriage" as legitimate, that would violate the Christian conscience. THEY however can do as they please, only they insist on forcing US to serve gay marriage. Get it straight. WE are not restricting THEM, THEY are restricting US by depriving us of freedom of conscience, suing us for acting on our conscience in refusing to serve a "gay marriage."
You understand absolutely nothing about Christian belief if you think there's anything in the Bible that requires restricting NONBELIEVERS in any way. You were never a Christian because you never understood anything about it. You can't tell the difference between the HISTORY of ancient Israel and the COMMANDS of Allah to readers of the Koran to murder "infidels."
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Message 192 of 237 (775016)
12-26-2015 8:50 AM
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12-26-2015 7:18 AM


Re: Question on the OP
West Europeans (including Italy) saw the Ancient Near East (essentially Egypt, Palestine, and Mesopotamia but absent Greece)as their heritage until Italians discovered the Greek language and the libraries next door in Constantinople-hence the "renaissance" of classical learning and a recognition that they were heirs to Greece.
This is so garbled I really have no idea what you are talking about. The only thing that's true in it is that yes the writings of the Greeks were discovered at some point and became the foundation of the Renaissance.
The Catholics (and the Popes) were the source for institutional funding of the rebirth in learning Greek, and they also brought chairs in universities to teach Hebrew, Aramaic, etc. Italy was the "alma mater studiorum" for post-graduate studies in the entire European world. This went on for some 200 years until the "counter-reformation" around c1500 (Im going by memory of what I read)
Yes it was the RCC that supported the ancient pagan writings. The Counter Reformation started in 1545 FYI.'
Your info about the Arabs is also garbled. According to Islam Christians and Jews are subject to taxes and humiliations in Muslim countries, and the Barbary (Muslim) pirates said that according to their religious texts they had a right to kidnap Americans.
Catholics used philosophy to defend the Bible (and their doctrines) against critics.
The Catholics hardly ever bothered about the Bible at all before the Reformation. Priests were the only ones who had access to it and often even they didn't. RCC doctrines were based on sheer superstitions and Roman paganism, and then Aristotle became their hero. It's more like they read the Bible in the light of Aristotle than that they used Aristotle to defend it.
'(and there were a lot of ethnic-semitic critics and they had something of a voice in Venice I think). The popes uses Thomas Aquinas' writings (c1100) to excuse away the prohibition of non-kosher food in Acts 15:20,29;21:25 (or around there). He invented the "cultic/ceremonial law concept" and divided law into national Israelite laws, moral laws, and ceremonial laws. That's why Catholic (and their Protestant followers) Christians commonly beat pigs over the head with a hammer to kill them and eat them. (or shoot them or whatever).
Aquinas was a follower of Aristotle.
I've always understood that animals are to be killed mercifully according to the Bible, but "Kosher" is Jewish, not Christian.
The renaissance saw Catholics dethrone Plato as their favorite philosopher and elevate Aristotle. Aristotle was used to defend Christian views of the resurrection. Philosophers had to be careful to support Christian doctrine though. They used a loophole "the two truths" if their study of philosophy led to promoting a view that was contradictory to doctrine.
Catholic doctrine is not Christian, the Reformation rediscovered the Bible and threw out all the Catholic doctrinal nonsense.
Protestants supported Hitler in higher numbers than Catholics in the 1930s election (and more protestants voted for Hitler than his ally the Christian Democratic party).
The Protestant Church was an apostate mess due to the Liberal Theology that had developed in Germany in the 19th century, so that Hitler was able to manipulate them. However, I've heard the opposite, that it was the Catholic Centre Party that voted in Hitler. Hitler was himself a Catholic and he had the Pope of the time on his side, said he modeled the Holocaust after the Inquisition. That same Pope is known for having organized the "rat lines" that provided escape for thousands of criminal Nazis after the war, mostly to Catholic Countries in South America.
The admiration for Hitler seemed to be because he had views that seemed to come straight from Luther. (Hitler did deem some protestants as anti-nationalist and he rounded them up with Gypsies, Communists, Jews, etc.
Yes, Hitler made use of Luther's diatribe against the Jews, although it had lain dormant since Luther wrote it.
There were some remaining true Christian Protestants who didn't give in to Hitler.
The enemy list included Jehovah's Witnesses, 7th Day Adventists, and even Mormons as people whose loyalty he questioned) Jews supported socialists and communists in the election because they were more into equal rights. Ho Chi Min became a communist because every other party in France was only in favor of French rights. He was heart broken when he found out that the French Socialist party was only in favor of worker rights based on race. The equality for all, regardless of race, that Communists promoted was what he admired.
Which is a huge joke. Communists murdered more people for opposing them than all the religious persecutions combined. Equality, Ha!
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Message 193 of 237 (775018)
12-26-2015 8:53 AM


Where'd the topic go?
Putting it in my own words, isn't this topic about concern that the USA is headed in a demographic direction that will cause supposedly undesirable changes like this:
  • The dominate skin color will be darker, with the only question how dark
  • The most common names will be names like Jorge or Tusajigwe or Ahmed
  • English will become the small-print second language appearing on all our products
  • The heros of our history books will become Spanish or African or Arab
The USA has a clear identity in most people's minds, and so the concern is that the identity that we so love is changing in ways that will eventually turn it into a foreign and unfamiliar place. But those of us of a certain age know the country has already indelibly changed from the way it was and is never going back. This has ever been the case. The 50's or 60's or 70's or 80's or 90's or whatever decades shaped your impression of what the country is supposed to be are gone, and they aren't coming back. Whatever direction the change takes, change is going to happen. It's inevitable.
--Percy

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Message 194 of 237 (775019)
12-26-2015 8:55 AM
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12-26-2015 8:21 AM


Warning
Please treat Hyroglyphx with more respect. There are times to be outspoken and there are times to be polite. WWJD? In my opinion He would never say
  • Yeah, you don't get this either, of course.
  • You understand absolutely nothing about Christian belief if ...
  • You were never a Christian because you never understood anything about it.
    We can't use this forum as a place to vent our emotional frustrations with everyday life. Treat other members with respect.
    Thank you
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    Message 195 of 237 (775020)
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    Re: Warning
    OK, but then be even-handed about it. Go back and read what he's accused ME of.

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