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Author Topic:   Jesus and his sacrifice is Satan’s test of man’s morality.
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Message 259 of 478 (775851)
01-05-2016 7:08 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by Faith
01-05-2016 5:11 PM


Re: misrepresentation
Faith writes:
You know what's really odd is that for two millennia Christianity has attracted followers because of its revolutionary gentleness and peaceableness, so well known as to be common knowledge until this recent generation decided to accuse it of the opposite.
Now you know that is simply not true Faith and just another example of Christian dishonesty and propaganda. Christianity was primarily spread by the sword and secondarily spread by power and wealth. Gentleness and peacefulness played little or no part in the growth of Christianity in anything but the mind of the dishonest.

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Message 272 of 478 (775964)
01-07-2016 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 271 by Faith
01-07-2016 7:02 AM


Re: misrepresentation
Newthink Faith is just plain dishonesty. It's lying and lying to yourself. You may not consider the Roman Catholic Church as Christian but that does not change the fact that it is and always has been Christian. Nor have protestants been any less militant or genocidal. Even in the US Christianity was spread by force and coercion, by forcing the slaves to abandon their beliefs, by taking the Native American children away from their culture and forcing them to change their names, dress, habit and religion.

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Message 283 of 478 (775996)
01-07-2016 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by kbertsche
01-07-2016 12:17 PM


Re: misrepresentation
Here we see a difference between a believer and an unbeliever. An unbeliever (like you two) will set himself as an authority above God, and will question and judge God at every step. A believer will trust and obey God. Abraham is uniformly praised in Scripture for his faith in God and his willingness to obey whatever God commanded. He did the right thing in obeying God.
Not exactly. As a believer I am charged to actively question God when God is behaving immorally. A God the issues an immoral commandment is a God that must be challenged and opposed.

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Message 287 of 478 (776001)
01-07-2016 2:44 PM
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01-07-2016 2:35 PM


Re: misrepresentation
That sure makes the God character look really stupid doesn't it. A God that can't forgive unless She gets paid for it and so creates a fake coin and puts on a pantomime to forgive but only the worst folk out there.

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Message 292 of 478 (776006)
01-07-2016 3:11 PM
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01-07-2016 2:53 PM


Re: misrepresentation
That is a common belief among Christians but certainly not a universal belief.
And it does make the God look stupid and says little for those who subscribe to such barbaric beliefs.

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Message 327 of 478 (776118)
01-08-2016 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 324 by Faith
01-08-2016 6:44 PM


Re: misrepresentation
Faith writes:
Scripture is God-breathed and not written by human opinion. And on THIS basis we can see that YOU are imposing YOUR own values on God and the writers of scripture.
You keep making that claim Faith but once again, the Bible itself shows that if that were true then God constantly makes mistakes, is wrong, is evil, is uncertain and unthinking.
If the Bible was God Breathed then you would think at the least She would have provided a list of which books should be included and not the many different Canons that exist that include as few as five books (and exclude all of the New Testament) and as many as over eighty books.
If the Bible was God Breathed then it would not be filled with factual errors, falsehoods and contradictions.
But the fact is that the Bible stories are filled with factual errors, falsehoods and contradictions.
You can of course simply continue to deny facts and reality but that does not change either the facts or reality.

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Message 330 of 478 (776123)
01-08-2016 10:37 PM
Reply to: Message 329 by Faith
01-08-2016 10:18 PM


Re: misrepresentation
Faith writes:
My commitment is to the God of the Bible He inspired.
Which God of the Bible is that; the one in Genesis 1 or the one in Genesis 2&3 or one of the other Gods described in the Bible.
And which Bible is it that She inspired, the one with only five books and no New Testament or the one with over eighty books or one of the other mutually exclusive Bibles?

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Message 340 of 478 (776153)
01-09-2016 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 334 by Faith
01-09-2016 12:04 PM


Re: misrepresentation
I will be happy to go over the descriptions of the God character that are actually written in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2&3 for you so they can be compared, but as you know I've done that many times before for you.
So what exactly makes your sixty-three book God Breathed when the other Canons are not?

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Message 349 of 478 (776166)
01-09-2016 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 348 by GDR
01-09-2016 4:44 PM


Re: Following your god for good or evil
GDR writes:
There is the one verse in the Bible that says that scripture is God breathed and goes on to say it useful for training etc.
Plus, scripture and a Bible are not synonymous and of course the very concept of a Bible did not even exist at that time. In fact it seems that Jesus considered some writings that did not make it into the Western Canon as scriptural. And when you add in the fact that "scripture" simply means inspired writings the passage becomes almost redundant.

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Message 364 of 478 (776242)
01-10-2016 8:33 PM
Reply to: Message 363 by Faith
01-10-2016 8:27 PM


as a Christian
What folk are condemning Faith is the belief that the God you try to market is anything other than a vile, evil entity that every thinking Christian as well as any moral individual should oppose. It is your attempt to market such a villain as ever being justified that is the issue.

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Message 366 of 478 (776247)
01-10-2016 10:07 PM
Reply to: Message 365 by Faith
01-10-2016 8:35 PM


Re: as a fake Christian
I do need to point out that when you use re: in your header yet change what the original text said you are just doing the same thing you do with what is actually written in the Bible; that is to misrepresent what was really written.

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Message 381 of 478 (776288)
01-11-2016 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 380 by Tangle
01-11-2016 1:09 PM


not just an atheist position
Tangle writes:
Btw 1) is not the atheist positin - the atheist position is that the Bible is man-made myth and the cruelties and inconsistencies show that it was a product of its time.
That's not just the atheist's position, mainstream Christian Churches understand that the Bible is a creation of men and that it does reflect the morals and beliefs of the folk that wrote it as well as their ignorance and fantasies.

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Message 391 of 478 (776351)
01-12-2016 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 388 by Faith
01-12-2016 11:22 AM


Of course it's not "Bible inerrancy or nothing."
Of course it's not "Bible inerrancy or nothing."
In case you hadn't noticed, God gave us a brain and kinda expects us to use it.
To think that it is "Bible inerrancy or nothing." you must totally disregard what is actually written as well as all the history of Christianity.

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Message 427 of 478 (776616)
01-17-2016 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 426 by LamarkNewAge
01-17-2016 11:02 AM


Re: There is no rationalizing going on
IIRC, according to the New Testament Jesus held the Old Testament in high regard and in fact used it and quoted from it to explain and justify his assertions.

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Message 428 of 478 (776618)
01-17-2016 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 425 by Faith
01-15-2016 1:24 PM


Re: misrepresentation
Faith writes:
ou seem to have missed that I was sarcastically talking about the beheadings of CHRISTIANS, which I see as the likely ultimate result of the kind of thinking you are doing.
Yawn.
Come on Faith, the only way that could happen in the US is if the nightmare of a US Christian Nation happened to become true. The only reason to fear that in the US is if those YOU consider Christian actually gained power and authority.

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