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Message 202 of 478 (775717)
01-04-2016 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 189 by GDR
01-03-2016 7:46 PM


Re: Can't have it both ways
If God knows the entire future and it is set before we are even born why bother with the Holy Spirit?
Because that is your destiny.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Phat
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Message 203 of 478 (775719)
01-04-2016 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 200 by ringo
01-04-2016 11:08 AM


Re: Can't have it both ways
Phat writes:
Im not satan, after all.
ringo writes:
Yes you are.
Whatever are you going to do with me?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Phat
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Message 220 of 478 (775751)
01-04-2016 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by PaulK
01-04-2016 5:00 PM


Reality Is Predetermined
We're talking about actual certain and complete knowledge of the future. Which is logically impossible unless the future is entirely fixed.
The future is only fixed in relation to decisions or events. Events happen based on either human decisions, natural occurrences, such as the weather or geologic upheaval, or outside interference.(outside of the earth) something such as a comet, perhaps.
Of these, all can be mathematically predicted except human decision.
If I peer into a magic crystal ball and see precisely what you did in 2020, all I am seeing is the decisions which you made prior to that date interacting with all of the other human decisions and outside events.
So is it inevitable? Is it "fixed" as you say? I would say that reality is inevitable. What happens at this moment in time happens irrevocably. The same happens at a set point in the future. The question, then...in regards to God...is whether by foreknowing everything that must happen He removes our free will.
The only way in which we dont have free will is that we cant do anything that God doesn't see. We are never free from His observation. Even satan--whom I believe was allowed to rebel and choose rebellion...was unable to break free of reality.
So did God create evil? In my belief, God created potential (or possible) evil and satan through his choice actualized evil. He took the action upon himself. So do we. We decide our course of action on a moment by moment basis. Just because the only options are the ones we choose does not remove our participation as aco-authors of our future.
Revelation explains it. Jesus was(past)is(present) and eternally shall be.
The Beast once was(implying a fixed past) is not and yet is for those whose names are not written in the book of life.
So is the book of life fixed? or is it not?
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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