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rstrats
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Message 166 of 202 (895508)
07-04-2022 1:21 PM


Since it's been awhile, maybe someone new looking in may know of examples.

  
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Message 167 of 202 (904930)
01-11-2023 4:51 PM


As it's the beginning of a new year perhaps someone new visiting this topic might know of examples.

  
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Message 168 of 202 (910129)
04-17-2023 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by Candle3
04-26-2020 7:10 AM


candle2,
re: "Jesus was placed in the tomb just before the 'going down of the sun' on Wednesday."
Off topic, but how do you reconcile that with Luke 24:21?

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Message 169 of 202 (918938)
06-09-2024 6:03 PM


And remember, the someone new needs to be someone who thinks the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week, and who thinks that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb and who tries to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language.

  
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Message 170 of 202 (921561)
01-16-2025 3:57 PM
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04-17-2023 10:44 AM


Rstrats, you asked: "Off topic, but how do you reconcile that
with Luke 24: 21?
***The men asked Jesus if He was a stranger in Jerusalem.
They asked how He did not know about "things which
happened there in these days?" (18).
All of these things that concerned Jesus included the
morning following the crucification.
Matthew 27: 62-66. Pilate allowed the Pharisees to post
guards and secure the tomb for the next three days.
The guards were posted on Thursday morning. Three days
from then would be Sunday. This fits perfectly with Luke 24.
Jesus was crucified on the fourteenth of Nisan in 31 A.D.
The fourteenth of Nisan in 31 A.D. fell on Wednesday, April 25th.
Just as Jesus stated in Matthew 12: 38-40, He was in the
tomb three days and three nights.
Jesus told us how long he would be in the tomb. There is no
way that He could have said it any clearer.
Jesus staked His claim of being the Messiah on the exact
amount of time that He would remain in the tomb.
I have been off the forum for several months due to illness
and such. My wife and I are and have been in good health.
The illnesses and deaths involved members of our families.

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Message 171 of 202 (921562)
01-16-2025 4:27 PM
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01-16-2025 3:57 PM


Are you candle2? If so then I will merge your accounts.

--Percy
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Message 172 of 202 (921572)
01-17-2025 4:28 AM
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01-16-2025 3:57 PM


Welcome back though sorry to hear about the deaths and sickness, my condolences!

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Message 173 of 202 (921573)
01-17-2025 7:16 AM
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Yes. Thank you.

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Message 174 of 202 (921574)
01-17-2025 7:20 AM
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01-17-2025 4:28 AM


Thank you, Zucadragon.

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Message 175 of 202 (921673)
01-22-2025 8:38 AM
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01-16-2025 3:57 PM


You wrote, "The men asked Jesus if He was a stranger in Jerusalem. They asked how He did not know about 'things which happened there in these days?' (18).​ All of these things that concerned Jesus included [the posting of the guard] the morning following the crucification."
The Messiah asked - "What things?" The men replied and stopped their answer with the Messiah being crucified by their rulers. So, the crucifixion was the last thing mentioned. Nothing is said about the guards.
But If you're going to add the guards as one of things concerning the Messiah, then you also, need to add the women coming to the tomb on Sunday and finding the Messiah missing which would certainly be concerning Him. As well as the angel/s telling them that He had risen. So, they couldn't say it was the 3rd day since the things happened and be including the guards and the women as some of the things.

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Message 176 of 202 (923065)
05-08-2025 8:28 AM


Someone new looking in may know of examples.

  
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Message 177 of 202 (924679)
12-25-2025 11:35 AM


And remember, that "someone new" needs to be someone who believes the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with a 1st day of the week resurrection, and who thinks that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb, and who tries to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period.

  
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Message 178 of 202 (925341)
04-03-2026 2:54 PM


Since it's again been a while, perhaps someone new visiting this topic may know of examples.

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Message 179 of 202 (925344)
04-03-2026 9:06 PM
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04-03-2026 2:54 PM


Do you have a religious/theological preference for a parallel example?
Do you prefer that there are no examples because you feel it implies this was therefore more likely (or less unlikely) to have been an actual historical circumstance?
Or would you prefer an example for some other reason?
(I have never believed in any bodily assumption or vanishing or whatever. Somebody either stays put and rots or is physically removed. I am in no way, shape, or form an atheist btw)
(I feel like the issue to Christians should be whether a spiritual type of "resurrection" happened, or not. And one should assume there are dozens of different um "possibilities" or um "possible" ways for this - if one entertains lots of "unknown unknowns" existing)
(I have know clue what I just said btw and it is slightly off topic)

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Message 180 of 202 (925345)
04-03-2026 9:08 PM
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04-03-2026 9:06 PM


Re: Do you have a religious/theological preference for a parallel example?
YES I said "know clue" on purpose.

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