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rstrats Member Posts: 159 Joined: |
Since it's been awhile, maybe someone new looking in may know of examples.
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rstrats Member Posts: 159 Joined: |
As it's the beginning of a new year perhaps someone new visiting this topic might know of examples.
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rstrats Member Posts: 159 Joined: |
candle2,
re: "Jesus was placed in the tomb just before the 'going down of the sun' on Wednesday." Off topic, but how do you reconcile that with Luke 24:21?
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rstrats Member Posts: 159 Joined: |
And remember, the someone new needs to be someone who thinks the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week, and who thinks that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb and who tries to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language.
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Candle3 Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 1021 Joined: |
Rstrats, you asked: "Off topic, but how do you reconcile that
with Luke 24: 21? ***The men asked Jesus if He was a stranger in Jerusalem.They asked how He did not know about "things which happened there in these days?" (18). All of these things that concerned Jesus included themorning following the crucification. Matthew 27: 62-66. Pilate allowed the Pharisees to postguards and secure the tomb for the next three days. The guards were posted on Thursday morning. Three daysfrom then would be Sunday. This fits perfectly with Luke 24. Jesus was crucified on the fourteenth of Nisan in 31 A.D.The fourteenth of Nisan in 31 A.D. fell on Wednesday, April 25th. Just as Jesus stated in Matthew 12: 38-40, He was in thetomb three days and three nights. Jesus told us how long he would be in the tomb. There is noway that He could have said it any clearer. Jesus staked His claim of being the Messiah on the exactamount of time that He would remain in the tomb. I have been off the forum for several months due to illnessand such. My wife and I are and have been in good health. The illnesses and deaths involved members of our families.
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Admin Director Posts: 13211 From: EvC Forum Joined: |
Are you candle2? If so then I will merge your accounts.
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Zucadragon Member Posts: 227 From: Netherlands Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Welcome back though sorry to hear about the deaths and sickness, my condolences!
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Candle3 Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 1021 Joined: |
Yes. Thank you.
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Candle3 Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 1021 Joined: |
Thank you, Zucadragon.
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rstrats Member Posts: 159 Joined: |
You wrote, "The men asked Jesus if He was a stranger in Jerusalem. They asked how He did not know about 'things which happened there in these days?' (18). All of these things that concerned Jesus included [the posting of the guard] the morning following the crucification."
The Messiah asked - "What things?" The men replied and stopped their answer with the Messiah being crucified by their rulers. So, the crucifixion was the last thing mentioned. Nothing is said about the guards. But If you're going to add the guards as one of things concerning the Messiah, then you also, need to add the women coming to the tomb on Sunday and finding the Messiah missing which would certainly be concerning Him. As well as the angel/s telling them that He had risen. So, they couldn't say it was the 3rd day since the things happened and be including the guards and the women as some of the things. Edited by rstrats, .
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rstrats Member Posts: 159 Joined: |
Someone new looking in may know of examples.
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rstrats Member Posts: 159 Joined: |
And remember, that "someone new" needs to be someone who believes the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with a 1st day of the week resurrection, and who thinks that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb, and who tries to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period.
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rstrats Member Posts: 159 Joined: |
Since it's again been a while, perhaps someone new visiting this topic may know of examples.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2652 Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
Do you prefer that there are no examples because you feel it implies this was therefore more likely (or less unlikely) to have been an actual historical circumstance?
Or would you prefer an example for some other reason? (I have never believed in any bodily assumption or vanishing or whatever. Somebody either stays put and rots or is physically removed. I am in no way, shape, or form an atheist btw) (I feel like the issue to Christians should be whether a spiritual type of "resurrection" happened, or not. And one should assume there are dozens of different um "possibilities" or um "possible" ways for this - if one entertains lots of "unknown unknowns" existing) (I have know clue what I just said btw and it is slightly off topic)
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2652 Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
YES I said "know clue" on purpose.
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