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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8551 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
The last of the occupiers has peacefully surrendered to FBI.
NYTimes Here
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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With only one dead (by cop suicide) and most of the offenders in jail, charged with several crimes.
They'll be occupying federal land for a while now. So they lose their rights to carry arms, their "cause" deflates and more. Will the government take Bundy land for failure to pay taxes and other fees? Not out of the question I would think -- there are laws allowing the seizure of property used during committing a crime ... But this is part of a larger problem in America -- people that are "low information" and people that are "bad information" purveyors making up stuff to fill the space in their heads. This is why education is critical for an informed population capable of making valid conclusions from objective empirical evidence, instead of being hoodwinked by the latest snake-oil salesman. So I'm glad this was not another RubyRidge\Waco fiasco. Well done FBI. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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JonF Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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One of the occupiers is suing the gummint for literally being a tool of Satan. And much, much more. Of course no Federal judge or lawyer is empowered to hear the case. You will not believe the damages she wants!
Oregon militant accuses feds of committing ‘works of the devil'
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Will the government take Bundy land for failure to pay taxes and other fees? Not out of the question I would think -- there are laws allowing the seizure of property used during committing a crime Yes there are such laws, but for the most part those laws are total crap, and I cannot find the energy to support their use on anyone. If it is necessary to seize some Bundy property to get back that million dollars worth of grazing fees, then so be it. I'm down with that. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Sorry. RAZD already announced the capture of Cliven.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams |
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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RAZD writes: Oops ... Daddy Bundy busted ... Why did Cliven's arrest take so long. Well perhaps that is just the 2nd amendment working just the way some gun nuts tell us it is supposed to work.
quote: Now he has more serious charges than tax evasion. Cliven most likely will never roam his ranch again. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4441 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Ryan Bundy Declares Himself An 'Idiot' Not Subject To US Courts
quote: What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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14174dm Member (Idle past 1135 days) Posts: 161 From: Cincinnati OH Joined: |
So if Nevada and Oregon are not part of the US then they must still belong to the Native Americans, right? They had possession before the US got the land (no comments on methods). Did any Bundy pay or otherwise compensate the Native Americans for the land they overgraze?
I love the way the sovereignty people use Interstate Highways, US dollars, the banking system, the post office, expect protection through the police and courts, etc. but don't have to live by the laws they don't like or pay taxes. They must have been spoiled brats as kids because they are now.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4441 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
I love the way the sovereignty people use Interstate Highways, US dollars, the banking system, the post office, expect protection through the police and courts, etc. but don't have to live by the laws they don't like or pay taxes. They must have been spoiled brats as kids because they are now. Well, their parents are thieves, so it's not too surprising that the kids are also. Too bad there isn't a vaccine for stupid, but Cliven is probably an anti-vaxxer also.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Under our Constitution, being an idiot does not mean you cannot also be President or that you do not have to follow the rules. Being an idiot does not even exempt you from paying taxes or suffering consequences.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4441 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
As we the trial nears this is going to become an interesting story again. I hope the prosecution does not let anymore of these anti-American traitors plead to lesser charges. The evidence collected is overwhelming.
Prosecutors: Oregon standoff defendants broke into safes, stole federal documents, called refuge takeover 'another Bunkerville' Document: Government's trial brief Document: Government's list of trial exhibits It will be interesting to see if this trial becomes an issue in the Presidential election. I saw that the Republican National Platform includes the whole nutty Utah public land grab bullshit, so it is now basically endorsed by by all the Republicans in Congress and the whole bunch of nut-jobs that attended the GOP convention.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Some of the legal theories mentioned in the article are nothing short of bizarre.
quote: Adverse possession allows acquiring property by sitting on the land for some amount of time without any significant action by the owner to recover the property. The time period is generally on the order of 10 years and is perhaps as long as 30 years in some states. But you cannot invoke adverse possession by taking over a property and repelling the owners attempts to recover the property by force of arms.
quote: In short, Medenbach's statement, rather than being a defense, is an admission to all of the elements needed to prove auto theft. Edited by NoNukes, : discuss another charge Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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No, those legal theories are mildly unusual. This is bizarre.
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14174dm Member (Idle past 1135 days) Posts: 161 From: Cincinnati OH Joined: |
27. i receive mail at P.O. Box 7447, bunkerville, republic of nevada [89007] as right and not as a privilege nor benefit of contract; i am without evidence to the contrary, therefore it is so; and, Ummm.... He RENTS a PO box which has a contract, paid for with US dollars, and willingly interacts with the US Post Office. What an ass.
28. i am (primary) citizen of Heaven... i intend to, at all times, to return to Heaven... 73. i am not in receipt of any evidence in fact that i am a 'flight risk'... Did you just say you're a flight risk?
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