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Author Topic:   Did Jesus teach reincarnation?
kbertsche
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Message 55 of 230 (777027)
01-24-2016 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by LamarkNewAge
01-24-2016 9:15 AM


Re: Here is a reasonable evangelical commentary
LNA writes:

This commentary series always was among the most honest of the honest in evangelical conservative works. This is fundamentally slanted for sure (against reincarnation), but not fundamentally dishonest ("He does not necessarily mean" is slightly honest if you give the benefit of the doubt to this commentary being written by massively stupid people. I think the commentators are very smart mind you, but I can let it slide). I do think the text requires a necessary interpretation that John the Baptist is the bodily reincarnation of Elijah. Infact the text requires a reexamination of just what basis the Catholics have in claiming "Apostolic Tradition".

The fact that not a single one of the so-called "Early Church Fathers" thinks belief in reincarnation is anything but a heresy should send chills down our spines when we see just who taught reincarnation (hint hint see Matthew 11:11-15 and 17:10-13).


In other words, YOU claim that the Bible teaches reincarnation. But the Interpreter's Bible Commentary denies this. And the early church fathers also denied this and called it heresy.

No offense, but I will side with early church fathers and expert commentators rather than with revisionist new age mystics.


"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." – Albert Einstein

“I am very astonished that the scientific picture of the real world around me is very deficient. It gives us a lot of factual information, puts all of our experience in a magnificently consistent order, but it is ghastly silent about all and sundry that is really near to our heart, that really matters to us. It cannot tell us a word about red and blue, bitter and sweet, physical pain and physical delight; it knows nothing of beautiful and ugly, good or bad, God and eternity. Science sometimes pretends to answer questions in these domains, but the answers are very often so silly that we are not inclined to take them seriously.” – Erwin Schroedinger


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kbertsche
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Posts: 1427
From: San Jose, CA, USA
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Message 59 of 230 (777035)
01-25-2016 12:05 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by LamarkNewAge
01-24-2016 10:12 PM


Re: "new age mystics"?
LNA writes:

I suppose the earliest Christian communities were new age mystics then?

Here is what Bart Ehrman said about the Gospel dates from his book,The New Testament: A Historical Introduction to the Early Christian Writings (3rd edition), by Bart Ehrman.


You have merely CLAIMED, not DEMONSTRATED, let alone PROVEN, that the early Christians held to reincarnation. Your quotes from Ehrman are unrelated to reincarnation and do nothing to support your claims. (This is the case for all of your lengthy quotes, BTW.)

You are not making logical (or even intelligible) arguments. You make nonsensical claims, you provide lengthy off-topic quotes, and then you declare that these prove your ridiculous claims, even though they do not.

Please try to make logical arguments that we can assess and respond to in a logical fashion.

Edited by kbertsche, : No reason given.


"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." – Albert Einstein

“I am very astonished that the scientific picture of the real world around me is very deficient. It gives us a lot of factual information, puts all of our experience in a magnificently consistent order, but it is ghastly silent about all and sundry that is really near to our heart, that really matters to us. It cannot tell us a word about red and blue, bitter and sweet, physical pain and physical delight; it knows nothing of beautiful and ugly, good or bad, God and eternity. Science sometimes pretends to answer questions in these domains, but the answers are very often so silly that we are not inclined to take them seriously.” – Erwin Schroedinger


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