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Tangle
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Message 204 of 230 (880724)
08-10-2020 2:17 PM


So Phat, can you begin to understand the 'Christians are making shit up' hypothesis yet?

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Tangle
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Message 207 of 230 (880742)
08-11-2020 3:50 AM
Reply to: Message 205 by Phat
08-10-2020 4:02 PM


Re: Confessions Of Saint Phatticus
Phat writes:

Try and see where I am at though. If the entire Bible is made up, (which I do NOT believe that it is) then people truly would be making up everything. I do not agree for several reasons.

We know that the Mormon bible is made up and we know that Mormons believe it just as much as you believe in yours and just as much as our loonie friend above believes his version of yours too.

1) I know to and through the best discernment and inner honesty that i can have that I was saved, that God is real and alive and....and that much I know.

And millions of people believe just as fervently as you in something else that you know is also wrong. Your personal conviction is not unique Phat; it's just not real.

Im still seeking. I want to get to the full truth.

Then you need to start doubting your need for it.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 211 of 230 (880762)
08-11-2020 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 208 by Phat
08-11-2020 7:58 AM


Re: Confessions Of Saint Phatticus
Phat writes:

You do not know that my belief is not at least partially real.

I know what you tell us your belief is.

You will only argue that it is real to me

That's just a truism.

and that the esteemed default position of the new ruling discipline of "Science" decrees that no belief will ever be real without evidence.

How many times over how many years? If there is evidence, it's not a belief, it's a fact.

This is the problem with your position, though. In regard to a supernatural God, evidence will never be objectively available unless God Himself chose to reveal it.

That is not a problem with my position. That's a problem with his postion.

You say I need to start doubting my need for the "truth"

I do not say that, I say that you need to examine why you feel the need for this so called truth, in the light of the tangible and inescapable evidence that others have your same conviction but for a different god.

Please explain how that is possible.

but I say that your very doubt pushed you into the lack of belief you have now.

Crap, I have no doubt and I don't lack belief. Religious belief is just irrelevant to me, just like fairy dust and unicorn droppings — an absurdity.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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