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Author Topic:   Explaining the pro-Evolution position
Tangle
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Message 6 of 393 (792240)
10-07-2016 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Kleinman
10-07-2016 1:20 PM


Kleinman writes:

....the "Theory of Evolution" is not a well-established scientific theory.

Yes it is.

Now what?


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Message 9 of 393 (792244)
10-07-2016 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Kleinman
10-07-2016 1:43 PM


Kleinman writes:

Let's see how well established the theory of evolution is. Why does combination therapy work for the treatment of HIV?

Nope, it doesn't work like that, it's your claim the the ToE isn't well founded. You now have to explain why.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 17 of 393 (792255)
10-07-2016 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Kleinman
10-07-2016 1:57 PM


Kleinman writes:

The answer to the question I ask you contains the reason why the theory of evolution is not true. I'm trying to get you to figure this out yourself.

Sorry, if you want to challenge 150 years of scientific effort and concensus YOU have to do the heavy lifting. Persuade us.

And, by the way, put away the patronising bollox, it's not helping you.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 22 of 393 (792260)
10-07-2016 3:41 PM
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10-07-2016 3:23 PM


Kleinman writes:

I've already done the heavy lifting

Fantastic so why not just explain it all to us, then collect your Nobel prize?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 31 of 393 (792284)
10-07-2016 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Kleinman
10-07-2016 4:54 PM


Kleinman writes:

If natural selection is not altering the probabilities that a particular mutation will occur at a particular site in a genome, then what do you think that natural selection does?

Oops, that's embarassing.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 52 of 393 (792394)
10-08-2016 2:38 PM


You've got two jobs to do Kleinman

1. Explain this great secret you're teasing us with
2. Explain why it shatters the ToE

At the moment you're behaving like a troll.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 87 of 393 (792457)
10-10-2016 2:28 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Kleinman
10-09-2016 8:06 PM


Kleinman writes:

Be patient, I'm not trying to tease you, I'm trying to introduce you to the concepts required to understand how rmns works.

There's plenty of people here capable of reading and understanding anything you have to say without 'introductions'; put it on the table and stop dicking about with this patronosing bollox.

You've managed to piss off everybody here with your childish approach, take the hint, if you have something to say, just say it.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 389 of 393 (792928)
10-15-2016 12:11 PM


Well this is a wasted opportunity. Kleinman came along with a patronising teacherish attitude and stupidly extravagant claims which he refused to support.

Had he chosen to take a different route by properly explaining his ideas on his specific issue of combination therapy for HIV treatment he might have gained some traction and maybe even been able to move a little way towards a ToE discussion. Instead he chose to piss everyone off. He should have been choked off at his 3rd or 4th post that said simply this:

quote:
The answer to the question I ask you contains the reason why the theory of evolution is not true. I'm trying to get you to figure this out yourself.

That approach was never going to win him any friends.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


  
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