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Author Topic:   Hypocrisy Among American Fundamentalists
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Message 70 of 122 (777580)
02-04-2016 12:29 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by Hyroglyphx
02-03-2016 1:38 AM


Re: Politics before Christianity
Hi Hyroglyphx,
Hyroglyphx writes:
I don't want a pastor telling me that Trump or Sanders make for good candidates. I want the gospel itself to make it evident through revelation.
Could you tell me what gospel you are talking about?
I would like to hear what you think the gospel is.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 71 of 122 (777581)
02-04-2016 1:12 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Phat
02-03-2016 7:47 PM


Re: Politics before Christianity
Hi Phat,
Phat writes:
Quite frankly, I dont believe that a christian should ever be president of the united States due to conflict of interest. The interests of the United States are not what Jesus would advocate, in my opinion.
Do you realize how many of our Presidents have been members of Churches?
You do know that IKE was the president responsible for the statement of "under God" being added to the pledge to the flag. He also was responsible for "In God we trust" being placed on our currency.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 76 of 122 (777588)
02-04-2016 1:49 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by Percy
02-03-2016 12:45 PM


Re: Politics before Christianity
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
But religion has more than just the potential for abuse. It has a demonstrated history of abuse. We can speculate about the potential for abuse by environmentalists (an example from one of your previous posts), but no speculation is necessary for the abuse religion is capable of. We need only look at history.
Can you point out a time that religion was abusive that it was not a part of the government?
That is the reason our Constitution says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ".
This forbids the government from establishing a religion.
Our forefathers had left England which had a government/religion which had been very abusive to those who did not believe the same as the state church.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 78 of 122 (777590)
02-04-2016 2:11 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by Hyroglyphx
02-04-2016 1:41 AM


Re: Politics before Christianity
Hi Hyroglyphx,
Hyroglyphx writes:
The teachings and revelations of Jesus Christ.
The teachings and revelations of Jesus Christ have nothing to do with the gospel of Jesus Christ.
The gospel or good news is that Jesus was crucified and died for the sins of mankind. He was buried and rose again 72 hours after He was buried. So we could know we can have victory over death.
So in short form the gospel of Jesus Christ is His death, burial and resurrection.
So I don't think that will help explain anything to you about politics.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 80 of 122 (777592)
02-04-2016 2:28 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by Hyroglyphx
02-04-2016 2:07 AM


Re: Politics before Christianity
Hi Hyro,
Hyro writes:
It means quite a bit more than just not choosing a specific Christian denomination or church to represent the United States. In fact, respecting any religion at all is the onus of that phrase.
The First Amendment to the Constitution.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ".
The first part says plainly that Congress shall make no law respecting.
An establishment of religion.
That part says Congress can not make a law establishing a religion. (regardless of what brand of religion).
The rest: "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"
Plainly states that Congress can not make a law prohibiting the exercise of a religion. (regardless of what brand of religion).
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 99 of 122 (777642)
02-04-2016 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Hyroglyphx
02-04-2016 2:19 AM


Re: Politics before Christianity
Hi Hyro,
Hyro writes:
The gospels are about a chronicling of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, to include his teachings and the revelations about his mission
Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are called the four gospels as they were so named by the Church Fathers a very long time ago.
They are so called because they all include the gospel of Christ. They tell of his death burial and resurrection to redeem mankind from his lost estate.
You asked how this pertained to the discussion.
The word fundamental or fundamentalists makes the definitions of terms used important to any discussion.
fundamental
/ˌfəndəˈmen(t)əl/
adjective
adjective: fundamental
1. forming a necessary base or core; of central importance.
A fundamental Christian does not get to form his/her own base or core of central importance.
All Christian beliefs are based upon the Word of God which we find in the Bible.
Churches or groups who make up their own core of central importance is not a Christian Church.
A Christian is someone who is living a life like Christ did.
A Christian Church is one that is practicing what Jesus preached the way He said to live our lives. Not to live their lives the way they choose, and accepting the parts Jesus taught that agrees with their worldview.
Now as to the discussion at hand.
Fundamentalist are humans and can make as big of mistakes as anyone else.
But when it comes to electing officials to lead our government I would rather have a born again fundamental Christian leading our country. The problem with that is that most of those folks are too busy to run for political office and really have a higher calling. Which is to share the gospel with the lost and dying world.
So I look at what a man says and what he has done and try to decide if that person is the best for the country, state, or county. In other words who will represent me.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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