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Percy Member Posts: 22949 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
In today's New York Times: Obama Chooses Merrick Garland for Supreme Court
Just announcing the news, haven't read the article yet. --Percy
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.7
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The Senate Republican leadership is abdicating its responsibility to the future congress and will not consider this nomination.
quote: This Republican obstructionism of the Nation's judicial function is anathema to the statesmanship that characterized the US Senate for more than 200 years. This is a sad day for the republic and portends even greater malfunction of, indeed malfeasance by, this Nation's most storied deliberative body. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
This Republican obstructionism of the Nation's judicial function is anathema to the statesmanship that characterized the US Senate for more than 200 years. This is a sad day for the republic and portends even greater malfunction of, indeed malfeasance by, this Nation's most storied deliberative body. Working against Obama is his vote to filibuster Alito. Obama says that he regrets having done so, but Republicans will certainly use his past vote against him. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.7
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Working against Obama is his vote to filibuster Alito. The Republicans could have had their revenge on Sotomayor and Kagan but they didn't. I don't think Alito has anything to do with the Republican's intransigence here. I think it's just plain broken, incompetent Republican leadership afraid of the right-wingnut faction of their own party.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
don't think Alito has anything to do with the Republican's intransigence here I agree. The Alito filibuster vote is just ammo to use against Obama. Obama will have to deal with that when he attempts to use his bull pulpit against the senate. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Diomedes Member Posts: 998 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
I don't think Alito has anything to do with the Republican's intransigence here. I think it's just plain broken, incompetent Republican leadership afraid of the right-wingnut faction of their own party. Republicans are in a totally lose-lose situation. If they continue to deny even calling a hearing for this nominee, they appear obstructionist.If they move forward with a hearing but vote against confirmation, they appear partisan. If they call a hearing and confirm the nominee, they alienate their base. They are totally backed in a corner. Personally, I don't think they are being very forward looking. Obama put forth a moderate candidate in an effort to undo the gridlock. If the Repubs continue to obstruct, that will likely start to galvanize the left in lieu of the upcoming election, since Hillary can beat The Donald or Cruz over the head with this. If I were the Republicans, I would move forward with a hearing at least. And even still, a confirmation here actually would work out better for them. They must understand at this staqe that the presidential election is all but lost. And they are on the verge of losing the senate. If they continue to placate to their fringe, they risk a scenario whereby the next administration can nominate whomever they like.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
But Alito was not filibustered was he.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
Yes, he was, but just barely before a cloture vote cut off the filibuster attempt. Despite not having 41 senators formally adopt the filibuster, Obama voting for, the democrats continued to delay the vote on Alito in a de facto filibuster by continuing discussion. Thus the cloture vote.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
Maybe you do not understand the whole fillibuster thing. There was no filibuster.
quote:Now if there was a filibuster the cloture vote would not have passed. Samuel Alito Supreme Court nomination - Wikipedia Nope, not listed here. Filibuster in the United States Senate - Wikipedia Did he vote for the attempt to filibuster? Yes. Was there a filibuster? No. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.7
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I think my updated post crossed paths with your post.
Confusion reigns. Sorry.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3971 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 7.1 |
How Obama Threw A Curveball With The Safest SCOTUS Pick Imaginable - TPM – Talking Points Memo
quote: I've heard the opinion from a couple of sources (don't now have the links, one was on NPR) that having 9 Garlands would be a fine Supreme Court. I think it is a great choice. Garland probably has at least 10 years in him. And I'm thinking Hillary going to be the next president, and is going to be making more SCOTUS appointments. MooseProfessor, geology, Whatsamatta U Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith "Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien "I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
Once the Republicans vowed to set aside precedent in a nakedly partisan move, why wouldn't Obama rub it in by choosing a candidate that they couldn't reasonably object to ? Why give them an excuse for fighting him ? If the appointment is "about the election" why not help the Republicans make themselves look bad ?
Obama has been pretty moderate throughout his terms, so I'd have expected him to go for a moderate anyway - certainly so long as the Republicans run the Senate. But the Republicans just walked into this one.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
You read it here first.
The Republicans do nothing pending the results of Nov. 8. If the Republican nominee wins election then the Senate continues to do nothing until after the new President selects his nominee in January/February. I see as highly unlikely the Republicans winning the Oval Office and losing the Senate at the same time. That's not going to happen so ignore it. If the Democrats retain the White House then we have some game space. If the senate is left in Republican hands then the Republicans will move to confirm Garland before the 114th Congress ends on Jan 3, 2017, so they won't have a greater fight on their hands from an equally qualified but less politically palatable nominee by the new President. If the senate changes to majority Democrat then I expect the Senate Republicans to try to rush a Garland nominee to confirmation before the nomination can be withdrawn and the new Congress comes into session on Jan 3. and the new Democrat senate takes its place. Here's the ego question: Does Obama withdraw the Garland nomination Nov 9th, leaving Clinton to name her choice? I think if the senate changes party the pressure to do so will be quite strong.
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14174dm Member (Idle past 1363 days) Posts: 161 From: Cincinnati OH Joined:
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Whenever I hear the republicans talk about waiting for the election so the voters can have a voice, I wonder if they really thought it through.
Since this year is an election year, waiting for the voters to speak applies to all positions up for election doesn't it? So none of the 24 Republican (and 10 Democrat) Senators up for election should vote on anything this year. The entire House of Representatives should sit out the year since the voters haven't spoken yet. The President should pocket veto everything anyways since he has to wait for the voters to speak. We have to wait until after the election AND the new people in office. No lame duck votes. Hey, this could help the budget. Since we're waiting for the voters to speak and these people are just sitting around, let's stop paying them. Send them & their staffs home. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure the voters know that the election results stand for the entire term of office. What a stupid stupid argument. Edited by 14174dm, : Trying to convert from rant to discussion
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.7
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What a stupid stupid argument. Welcome to the USA!
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