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Message 1 of 52 (778730)
02-23-2016 8:47 PM


The recent supernova, SN2016adj, first appeared in the skies here on Earth on February 8 earlier this month. It is located in the nearby galaxy, Centaurus A which is about 11 million light years away from us.

Since we know when the light from this supernova first showed up does this single event set a minimum age of the Universe at at least 11 million years old?

Dates and Dating I think.


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Message 5 of 52 (778759)
02-24-2016 8:28 AM
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Pressie writes:

But the constant c (the maximum speed of light in a vacuum) changed during The Flood, Jar. The Flood changed everything in the Universe.

But even something as absurd as that assertion seems to fail in this particular example. Even if that were true, the flood lasted only for a year, the distance to Centaurus A is still 11 million light years and the supernova still only appeared on February 8, 2016.


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Message 8 of 52 (778771)
02-24-2016 10:33 AM
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and it gets even worse.
This supernova is really a nail in the coffin for all the Young Earth folk since it is better documented than any previous example. At 2016/02/08.042 the galaxy was observed and the supernova was not there. At 2016/02/08.560, just fifty two minutes later it was observed to be there.

If we allow magic light, it still would put the source within fifty two light minutes from the Earth. Since the sun is 8 light minutes from the Earth that would put the Centaurus A only 6.5 times as far away as the sun. We can count the number of VISIBLE stars in Centaurus A and so have a pretty good idea of how much heat we would get from Centaurus A if it were that close and the numbers ain't pretty.

AbE: Timeline from this link.

Edited by jar, : add link to timeline.


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Message 10 of 52 (778782)
02-24-2016 11:34 AM
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That could be true BUT, even with magic light the galaxy Centaurus A would have to be inside the orbit of Saturn which seems highly improbable.

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Message 12 of 52 (778788)
02-24-2016 11:59 AM
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Re: and it gets even worse.
That could be true if the star seen was seen on 02/08/2016, but that would make Jesus just about a month old now and still healing from the snip-snip.

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Message 26 of 52 (781462)
04-04-2016 3:24 PM
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Re: Wish I May Wish I Might
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Theoretically, when we look out there through a telescope, we are looking back through time. Is it possible (though not likely) that what we see through that lens is all entirely in the past and that the stars could now have disappeared?

Do you know what a super nova is?


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Message 28 of 52 (781467)
04-04-2016 3:35 PM
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Re: Wish I May Wish I Might
So what is left after a supernova is not what we would consider the same star, correct?

So SN2016adj is a death stage of that star.

If that is the case then what we are seeing today is actually how sn2016adj looked 11 million years ago.

That star ceased to exist as a star 11 million years ago.

Still with me?


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Message 30 of 52 (781470)
04-04-2016 3:42 PM


So when we look even further back we are looking at stars that almost certainly no longer exist.

It's estimated that our sun will last for another 4 or 5 billion years, but the universe is at least 14.5 billion years old.

Our sun is pretty small and boring and so likely has a longer lifetime than many larger suns so it is almost certain that many of the stars and galaxies we see no longer exist.


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Message 35 of 52 (781500)
04-04-2016 8:16 PM
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04-04-2016 4:41 PM


Estimated means believed. Prophesied.

No, that is not what estimated means.

The post to which you are replying said:

quote:
So when we look even further back we are looking at stars that almost certainly no longer exist.

It's estimated that our sun will last for another 4 or 5 billion years, but the universe is at least 14.5 billion years old.

Our sun is pretty small and boring and so likely has a longer lifetime than many larger suns so it is almost certain that many of the stars and galaxies we see no longer exist.


The statements above are conclusions based on observation of reality instead of myth. we can see other stars and we can actually measure things such as their sizes, distances, masses, chemical constitution, surface temperature and energy production.

When things happen they leave evidence.

We can look at a spectrum and determine chemical constitution.

We can look at the behavior of other objects in the vicinity of the star being examined and determine its mass and from that it's size.

We can determine its direction of movement and it velocity.

When science uses the term estimate it does not mean believed or prophesied, those two term rest in the realm of mythology.

You may not accept the results of the evidence but that is fine. In the US at least you and the rest of the Christian Cult of Ignorance have a right to your fantasies but they remain simply willful ignorance.

You do not have to remain ignorant however and this is a good place for you to begin learning.


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Message 40 of 52 (781511)
04-04-2016 9:01 PM
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Re: [/quote]
Simply making unsupported assertions or denying evidence is just bullshit.

Unless you can provide actual evidence to support your position you have nothing worthwhile to contribute.


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Message 44 of 52 (781516)
04-04-2016 9:06 PM


Returning to the topic.
The recent supernova, SN2016adj, first appeared in the skies here on Earth on February 8 of 2016. It is located in the nearby galaxy, Centaurus A which is about 11 million light years away from us.

At 2016/02/08.042 the galaxy was observed and the supernova was not there. At 2016/02/08.560, just fifty two minutes later it was observed to be there.

Since we know when the light from this supernova first showed up this single event sets a minimum age of the Universe at at least 11 million years old!

From this one observation we can show the universe is at least 11 million years old.

Anyone claiming an age less than 11 million years is simply wrong.


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Message 45 of 52 (781517)
04-04-2016 9:08 PM
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Re: Assertions, Beliefs & Facts
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Keep in mind, however that starlite believes that God is actual evidence. I believe that through Him all things were created. Thus I agree with starlite in that regard. I think.

Then neither of you have anything worthwhile to contribute to this thread. Until one of you places god on the table to be examined god is NOT evidence of anything.


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Message 47 of 52 (781521)
04-04-2016 9:12 PM
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Re: Prove It
Damn Phat, please keep mythology out of the science threads.

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