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NoNukes Inactive Member |
What I mean by "shut down" is by excluding anything outside of your racist narrative. 1) How can I shut you down in a written forum?2) Why is calling a racist statement racist unfair in some way? Apparently, people are making racists statements that they simply cannot rationally defend. Because if they could then they could easily either defend them, or continue explaining their position. Racism is bad and there is nothing wrong with calling someone on that. So why use it as a tactic?
One example would be Genomicus and Modulous in the White Privilege thread. I'm too lazy to look up specific post numbers Apparently, your aim is too indiscriminate, you acknowledge that you have missed one person and won't be specific about the other. How am I supposed to take this seriously. How did Modulous attempt to shut down discussion? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
That's the problem. You became "skeptical" of everything liberal and nothing conservative. You swallow everything hook-line-and-sinker on the Internet that's anti-liberal. That's exactly what's wrong with political correctness. You're doing exactly the same thing as the people you criticize.
Eventually it got me into creationism and the conservative view of American history.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That's the problem. You became "skeptical" of everything liberal and nothing conservative. You swallow everything hook-line-and-sinker on the Internet that's anti-liberal. That's exactly what's wrong with political correctness. You're doing exactly the same thing as the people you criticize. I give myself more credit for thinking things through than that of course. People are continuing to miss what political correctness is. Functionally it's a fictional explanation of something that is politically defined as the truth, and it happens to have Cultural Marxist explanations it wants people to believe, and it enforces its opinions with various degrees of violence, starting with the tongue lashing I keep getting from Theodoric here for almost anything I say. I had an experience some years ago when a female physical therapist was working with my sister in law, I forget why, and something came up that caused me to mention that female muscles aren't as strong as male muscles and she lit into me as if I had committed a horrible crime against the female sex, for daring to suggest that female muscles are inferior to male muscles. Inferiority of course wasn't my point at all, but female muscles ARE weaker than male muscles, it's a simple fact, but she went on a PC rampage to enforce the fiction that female muscles are just as strong as male muscles, that left me too stunned to speak. THAT's political correctness, a body of fixed opinion nobody is allowed to contradict on pain of getting at least a tongue lashing, even though it's usually a ridiculous fiction, and generally it's in the service of some notion of political unfairness or inequality or wounded self-esteem for some "victim" group. It's politically incorrect to suggest that women's muscles are naturally not as strong as men's. Just as it's politically incorrect to suggest that homosexuality is some kind of aberration, suggest it without any emotion of hatred, just as a matter of observation; or that Islam has violence written into its holy books. You cannot say these things because they violate the Accepted Political Opinion. Just as in Communist countries you could never say anything against the Communists in power without being subject to some kind of punishment. Marxism/Communism demands conformity to its precepts Or Else. You aren't going to find that kind of angry enforcement of any opinion among conservatives. Conservatives DO believe in freedom of speech. PC is the opposite of free speech. Cultural Marxism defined such ideas as sexism, homophobia, racism etc. in such a way that nobody is allowed to say anything that triggers such accusations without being viciously condemned for it, as witness what Theodoric is saying about me on the Sounding Gay thread -- that's PC/Cultural Marxism to perfection. I could say my gay friend has his own form of political correctness when he insists on thinking of his childhood in sentimental terms although as he talks about it there is a void where there should be positive -- or negative -- memories of his father. He can't allow himself to think anything critical of his father. He has a few clich statements about his father, little that could be a real memory of a relationship with him. That's more a psychological or emotional correctness perhaps. Your idea here that I am being politically correct in coming to accept creationism and conservative views of American history is in itself politically correct -- a mild version of course, but it's something you want to believe about me though you really have no idea how I arrived at my conclusions. It's something you made up, it's PERSONAL, implies something wrong about my attitude instead of treating me as capable of forming a reasonable opinion, and you even go on to call ME politically correct for the opinions I have though I haven't insisted that you share them or that anyone share them, and I certainly am aware of alternative views since I changed from those views. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
That's what I said - and that's what you do all the time, except that your ridiculous fictions are right-wing nuttery instead of left-wing.
THAT's political correctness, a body of fixed opinion nobody is allowed to contradict on pain of getting at least a tongue lashing, even though it's usually a ridiculous fiction, and generally it's in the service of some notion of political unfairness or inequality or wounded self-esteem for some "victim" group.
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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 2724 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined: |
Hi, Caffeine.
caffeine writes: This is not something unique to you - it's exactly what the 'liberal mindset' is. Maybe you're on to something. I have my suspicions that liberalism is generally a less "natural" way of thinking, because it deals with considering and engaging with diversity and different viewpoints, etc.
Here's another paper that I found recently, but haven't read yet. Basically, they subjected people to various types of cognitive "stress" and recorded their responses to political questions. As it turns out, the study subjects' responses became more conservative when they were distracted, pressed for time or even drunk (yes, they took their experiment to the bar). A trite and tactless interpretation of the results is that But the idea that liberalism requires "training" invokes Pavlovian images, doesn't it? I mean, what do the conservatives say about liberals? "Liberals are sheeple"... "liberals all walk in lock-step, or else"... "they reason like robots, with broad categories and labels for everything"... These all sound like criticisms that arise from the idea that liberalism is somehow "unnatural," don't they?-Blue Jay, Ph.D.* *Yeah, it's real Darwin loves you.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Faith writes:
That's what I said - and that's what you do all the time, except that your ridiculous fictions are right-wing nuttery instead of left-wing. THAT's political correctness, a body of fixed opinion nobody is allowed to contradict on pain of getting at least a tongue lashing, even though it's usually a ridiculous fiction, and generally it's in the service of some notion of political unfairness or inequality or wounded self-esteem for some "victim" group. Ha ha, you just keep doing it, and the effort is really pretty PC too. You've just GOT to invent an equivalence between my opinions and liberal PC even though it's such a ridiculous stretch there is no comparison. The fiction is yours.' Liberals so often just don't think, they search around for the politically correct position and put that up for their opinion. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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I had an experience some years ago when a female physical therapist was working with my sister in law, I forget why, and something came up that caused me to mention that female muscles aren't as strong as male muscles and she lit into me as if I had committed a horrible crime against the female sex, for daring to suggest that female muscles are inferior to male muscles.
Did it occur to you that the physical therapist's job is to strengthen muscles. So you declared that her job was not worth doing. And you wonder why she was offended?Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Bliyaal Member (Idle past 2395 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined:
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generally it's in the service of some notion of political unfairness or inequality or wounded self-esteem for some "victim" group The fiction is yours. You played the "christians are persecuted" card so often that I'm surprised you didn't explode from too much irony when you wrote that.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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Faith writes: Faith writes:
That's what I said - and that's what you do all the time, except that your ridiculous fictions are right-wing nuttery instead of left-wing. THAT's political correctness, a body of fixed opinion nobody is allowed to contradict on pain of getting at least a tongue lashing, even though it's usually a ridiculous fiction, and generally it's in the service of some notion of political unfairness or inequality or wounded self-esteem for some "victim" group. Liberals so often just don't think, they search around for the politically correct position and put that up for their opinion. Good that you can laugh at your own jokes. You are the most PC right-winger I have ever seen. When you sling fresh bull manure (that's PC for bullshit), some is bound to stick to you.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Christians ARE persecuted, all over the world as we speak. It's not a fiction and nobody is yelling at you if you aren't aware of it, let alone calling you names for denying that it's happening. Not even saying it's unfair and certainly not worrying about wounded self-esteem. There is no comparison with PC which exists to trip up a person who dares to suggest that feminism can have some problems, that homosexuality isn't a normal alternative, that not every view of differences between races comes from a racist mentality, that multiculturalism is a problem because there are cultures that aren't compatible with the west, and so on and so forth.
I'm sure there are plenty of things conservatives and Christians do that is annoying but it's not PC. PC is its own thing and it is leftist, period. But that's why I invite you all to make a list of annoying things conservatives do. It isn't PC in any case. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It wasn't about her work. But thanks for the PC fictional attempt to put me in the wrong.
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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Christians ARE persecuted, all over the world as we speak.
Aha! PC = Persecution Complex. Suddenly the thread makes sense.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Our purpose is to provide necessary aid and vital assistance to persecuted Christians. - DOVA International Charities, Ltd
http://go.opendoorsusa.org/persecution-newsletter/?gclid=...
Christian Persecution | Persecution Stats | Open Doors USA - Open Doors USA
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In more than 40 nations around the world today Christians are being persecuted for their faith. In some of these nations it is illegal to own a Bible, to share your faith Christ, change your faith or teach your children about Jesus. Those who boldly follow Christin spite of government edict or radical oppositioncan face harassment, arrest, torture and even death. Yet Christians continue to meet for worship and to witness for Christ, and the church in restricted nations is growing. Stand With Persecuted Christians There's lots more where those came from too. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Percy Member Posts: 22493 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
I never asked you to address the 'content.' I called attention to the irony of casting aspersions at liberals without any 'content', then saying it was something conservatives don't do. If that still isn't clear then you could try rereading Message 194 where I broke out all the relevant back and forth. --Percy
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