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Author Topic:   Why Do Gay Men Sound Gay?
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Message 4 of 165 (779177)
03-01-2016 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Faith
03-01-2016 11:55 AM


Hi Faith,
I watched the documentary "Do I Sound Gay?"
and thought it was both entertaining and informative.
Apparently the writer and producer David Thorpe who is openly gay, did not always talk the way he does. He developed the "campy" lispy effeminate style of speech, hanging out with his campy, lispy and effeminant friends. Most of the change of his speaking style took place in his early college years once he left the house.
The documentary is careful to also show that there are also straight men who sound campy, lispy and effeminant.
So one can "imprint" on those who they spend a great deal of time around and also those who are role models according to some of the films speech experts. This is one of the most common ways we as humans mimic the voices around us. Sometimes subconsciously and sometimes on purpose.
So the answer is???? There is no concrete answer.
The Film indicates it is a stereo type to be sure but also one that is acted out on purpose to the point of sometimes becoming habitual.
Watch the documentary if you get a chance.
Edited by 1.61803, : change speach to speech
Edited by 1.61803, : added David Thorpe

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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1.61803
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Message 6 of 165 (779181)
03-01-2016 3:33 PM
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03-01-2016 3:30 PM


They do. ...**some do I should say. sorry.
Liberace and Paul Lynn as well.
Let me add: There is no known "Gay" way to talk as the documentary points out. It is a stereotype.
Edited by 1.61803, : some do..

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Message 9 of 165 (779187)
03-01-2016 4:46 PM
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"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 37 of 165 (779279)
03-02-2016 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Hyroglyphx
03-02-2016 12:44 AM


Hello Hyroglyphx,
Hyroglyphx writes:
My best educated guess as to how Camp first developed was likely because gay adolescent boys first had an affinity for girls as platonic friends long before they fully sexually matured.
If you haven't seen the Film "Do I Sound Gay?" This is all explored in detail. One individual in the film who was not gay but had what speech experts called effeminate speech inflections did so because he was raised by his mother and had only sisters and he admitted he use to listen to his mother talk on the phone to her girl friends. He picked it up. Camp in many individuals can be turned on or off depending on the company. One of the directors friends showing that when he is at his day job he speaks in a perfectly normal tone, but when with his partner and friends can "camp it up" with the best of them. So I think that it is more along the lines of something men do to show they are indeed unafraid to express themselves. Perhaps a way of showing that I belong and I identify with this. The director David Thorpe simply could not stop himself from this speech style once he developed it though. He made progress but would relapse. Heres a link to the film.
Do I Sound Gay? (2014) - IMDb
Edited by 1.61803, : italic added to normal to indicate the non-camp speech and not that I somehow feel campy speech is abnormal. As in Seinfeld's: "not that theres anything wrong with that."

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