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coffee_addict
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Message 12 of 165 (779212)
03-01-2016 7:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Faith
03-01-2016 11:55 AM


It's not that some gay men sound "gay", it's that at some point in their lives they have stopped trying to sound all macho and masculine. So, instead of forcing themselves to talk in a straight voice, they began to be more artistic about their voices and add inflections and other traits that people like you deem "gay".
Having said that, many straight guys have begun doing this as well. It's not "gay". It's just being less boring with their voices.

If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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Message 30 of 165 (779264)
03-02-2016 10:59 AM


Speaking as a gay guy partnered with another guy, the responses so far to the OP makes me not want to associate with the liberal PC crowd.
Faith asked a legit question.
May be EvC should create a new section called "Safe Space"?

If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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Message 39 of 165 (779282)
03-02-2016 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Theodoric
03-02-2016 3:57 PM


Regardless of what word you use to describe it, are you implying there is something wrong with such speech pattern?

If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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Message 42 of 165 (779299)
03-02-2016 8:38 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Faith
03-02-2016 6:07 PM


Re: some odds and ends
Faith writes:
Yes I am just sincerely curious about what brings about the gay pattern of speech. I'm aware that some straight men can sound somewhat gay, and there are certainly gay men who don't have a gay voice. But there IS a gay voice, possibly more than one, and it's interesting to consider how it might have come about. Perhaps it's more an American thing too, since one poster here says it doesn't exist among his Danish and Swedish gay friends.
If I were you, I'd ignore all the politically correct regressive liberals on here regarding this topic.
I wouldn't call it "gay" accent. There's really no name for it (yet). But to deny that it exists is like to deny that Asian American accent or ebonics exist.
I have an Asian American accent. There's no denying it. I came to the states a little late in my life to not have one. My ex was a black guy that spoke ebonics. It used to drive us nuts to run into these regressive liberals that tried really hard to deny that either one of us spoke differently than them. By trying as hard as they did to deny that my ex spoke ebonics and I spoke with an Asian American accent, they pretty much told us without saying it that they thought there was something wrong with either one of our speech pattern.
Memo to regressive liberals: there's nothing wrong with Asian American accent or ebonics or "gay" accent or theater speak or whathaveyous.
Stop trying to not offend us. It's ok to recognize that we have different speech pattern than you do. It's ok for you to stop lying to others and yourself about this topic.
Anyway, back to Faith's question.
Like I said before, the speech pattern you are recognizing is (in my opinion) a result of men not sounding so masculine and being creative with their inflections. Some go overboard with it to be entertaining or whatever other reason, and it's perfectly alright.
One of my ex's spoke exactly like that video in the humor thread I posted. He was also a (what we in the gay community call) fem. At the time we were dating, I was attending grad school for engineering and he was in law school. When we departed and went our own ways, he found a job at a law firm on track to becoming a lawyer. I always laughed to myself trying to imagine him talking like that in court. LOL
My (current) boyfriend... probably life partner... is the most typical white guy you can imagine. We're both pretty boring and do not fit in at all with the stereotypical gay scene. Meh, we've both outgrown all of that.
Added by edit.
To further clarify, the reason you (and probably most other people) recognize this "gay" accent is because of the few that speak this way. Trust me, there are more gay people around than you realize. We are pretty much everywhere. The overwhelming vast majority of us don't speak or look like how we are portrayed by the media, so we're less visible. Most people we run into have trouble believing my partner and I are romantically involved with each other. We're just a couple of guys. If we ever meet in real life, you'd never give us a second thought.
Edited by Lammy, : No reason given.

If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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coffee_addict
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Message 55 of 165 (779353)
03-03-2016 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Theodoric
03-03-2016 9:12 AM


It seems to me like you can't tell the difference between a simple general statement and a stereotype.

If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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coffee_addict
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Message 71 of 165 (779460)
03-04-2016 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Blue Jay
03-04-2016 12:02 PM


Re: some odds and ends
I've no idea. We see more of them around during pride parade and boys town. Other than that, we rarely ever encounter any.
I don't think there is anything wrong with the campy gay voice. One of my ex's was like that. I saw a video of him when he was little, and he acted and sounded just like that. So, it was very early on for him.
Here's the thing with Faith's theory. My ex had a sister and 2 brothers. His dad and two brothers were very masculine when we visited them. As far as I could tell, the dad was just as nurturing as the mom.
So... let's leave the attempts at coming up with explanations to the experts who do studies, shall we?
I'm not sure why homophobes like Faith feel the need to explain everything, and I'm of the opinion that being gay can both be a choice and born this say.

If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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Message 77 of 165 (779487)
03-04-2016 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Jon
03-04-2016 4:15 PM


Re: some odds and ends
It's a problem for both sides to come up with an explanation.
Let's not kid ourselves. The homophobic side always seems to arrive at the conclusion that a person is gay because he was abused or morally corrupt. The non-homophobic side always try to explain it away by the person being born that way.
Personally, I find both sides pretty naive.
Not everything needs to be assigned a moral value. And that's the goal of both sides, to assign a moral value to being gay.
Personally, I stopped investing so much into this debate a while back when I figured out that the non-homophobic side was just as naive as the homophobic side.

If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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coffee_addict
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Message 78 of 165 (779488)
03-04-2016 6:24 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Faith
03-04-2016 2:35 PM


Re: some odds and ends
Faith writes:
I'm surprised you say it can be a choice...
Meh, a lot of people are surprised about a lot of things I say.
I'll tell you this. I find the politically correct side just as abhorrent as people such as yourself. I'm not even sure they care about us anymore.

If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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Message 85 of 165 (779511)
03-05-2016 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Faith
03-05-2016 9:52 AM


Re: some odds and ends
I dated him for 2 years. I attended many of his family dinners and events.
Ever considered the possibility that this is a public forum and I don't feel like giving you every little detail?
Are you going to claim that you know about my ex and his family more than me?

If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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Message 86 of 165 (779512)
03-05-2016 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 84 by Jon
03-05-2016 9:53 AM


Re: some odds and ends
Because whatever explanation that either side comes up with is pure BS.
1 side is looking for every reason to hate gay people and the other is looking for every reason to tolerate them. Neither bases their opinion on facts.
Again, leave it to the experts.

If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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Message 88 of 165 (779515)
03-05-2016 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by Faith
03-05-2016 9:57 AM


Re: some odds and ends
Put me on the spot? I wasn't aware I was being put on the spot.
I'm just telling you that it's a Saturday morning and we're just lounging around so I don't feel like sharing on a public forum too much detail about my personal life or my ex's. I just find it incredibly unfair that you're trying to psychoanalyze me from the few to nill details I've given you. I didn't know anyone's life could be boiled down to 2 words.
Trust me, over the years I have heard every theory regarding my sexual orientation or why some (gay) men are feminine from both sides. I've found them to be wildly inaccurate and usually just serve to reinforce preconceived biases (yes, from both sides).
All I'm saying is the world would be a much better place if we leave the coming up with explanations to the experts.

If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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Message 90 of 165 (779519)
03-05-2016 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by Faith
03-05-2016 10:21 AM


Re: some odds and ends
Ok, I'm sorry for having called you that.
All I'm saying is we should all refrain from trying to come up with explanations for what we observe.
It's ok to ask. It's ok to offer an explanation with a question mark at the end.
The reason I dispute your attempt at explaining why some gay men sound gay is because I happen to know for a fact that my ex would hate your explanation.
We dated for 2 years. I was invited and attended his family events many times. Saw plenty of pictures. It's a traditional southern family. Dad, mom, 3 sons, and a daughter. My ex was the middle son. Their dad took all 3 sons out to hunting trips all the time. In fact, they invited me to one of their hunting trips but I declined. I'm simply not a hunter.
They always treated me like a part of the family and was always happy we were together. He always told me he had an awesome childhood. He played baseball just like both his brothers.
There was never any indication that he was neglected by his dad or over-mothered by his mom anymore than his brothers.
So... I'm not quite sure where he would fit in with your explanation as to why some gay men sound... gay.

If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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Message 92 of 165 (779541)
03-05-2016 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Blue Jay
03-05-2016 12:49 PM


Re: 'taint none of my business
It depends on how you want to acquire the knowledge.
My dad, for example, make a guess with no basis in reality and believe it for all time. Example. Years ago he started believing that white people have freckles because they eat potatoes and black people are black because they eat corn. To this day, he still believes these things.

If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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Message 96 of 165 (779547)
03-05-2016 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by NoNukes
03-05-2016 1:42 PM


Re: some odds and ends
NoNukes writes:
Sorry, but that's how science works. Nothing at all wrong with trying to come up with explanations. But just making stuff up does not work, and acting on the wrong erroneous explanations might well prove to be harmful.
I really wish you had read my other posts where I also said we should leave these things to the experts of their respective fields. Otherwise, we're just making things up.
Presumably that would in part be because the explanation was wrong.
Her explanation was wrong because she's just making sh*t up as she goes along, which is pretty much how non-experts do it.

If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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Message 97 of 165 (779548)
03-05-2016 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by Jon
03-05-2016 1:06 PM


Re: some odds and ends
Jon writes:
Really; this statement just floors me.
It floors you only if you read my statement in a vacuum.
Please go back and reread my previous posts where I suggested we leave these things to experts that have done proper investigative work on the respective topic. Otherwise, we're just making things up as we go along.

If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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