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anglagard Member (Idle past 864 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes: Let us continue our discussions here unfettered by the offal of the older abode. Great move, let's hope this thread is not hijacked like the previous one so no one else feels compelled to repeat such an action. Edited by anglagard, : forgot title, how negligent of meRead not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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anglagard Member (Idle past 864 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
jar writes: Chicago Police are experienced with handling rowdy Political Convention crowds. If it comes to that my money would be on the Chicago Police. Except, of course, quelling any rioting at the Republican Convention will be the job of the Cleveland Police. Nevertheless, should Trump be denied the nomination, it will obviously compare with Humphrey's back in 1968 and is likely to result in a similar outcome. I had a history teacher who, with some friends, witnessed the Chicago riots firsthand from a rooftop above the fray. He stated, "we thought it was the end of the world." Upvote for prescient comparison. Apparently The Houston Chronicle deserves an upvote as well. Edited by anglagard, : apparently others agreeRead not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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anglagard Member (Idle past 864 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Percy writes: Humphrey won his party's nomination back in 1968, so I had to think a minute and look up Humphrey before I could figure out the comparison you're drawing, and I'm still not sure. Is it that Trump's denial of the Republican nomination in a multi-candidate race would be like Humprey's denial of the presidency in a multi-candidate race? From the wiki: quote: Please note, "Even though 80 percent of the primary voters had been for anti-war candidates, the delegates had defeated the peace plank by 1,567 to 1,041." If Trump supporters feel the will of the majority, or at least a plurality, has been thwarted by the mecanations of the minority, as happened in 1968, would they react in a similar fashion? I think that is a definite possibility and I am not alone in this analysis. Do you understand now why we find a similarity? Edited by anglagard, : title and we in last sentenceRead not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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anglagard Member (Idle past 864 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined:
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AZPaul3 writes: Chicago 1968 was a different scenario altogether. Different scenario, similar cause (denial of popular will), somewhat similar outcome (police riot 68, potential supporter riot 16, but riot all the same). Please see my response to Percy. However thanks for the history lesson for those not old enough to see it all unfold on TV, who unlike ourselves did not witness it a bit firsthand as we did.
The good news is that the same could destroy the Republican party in 2016 leading to the election of anyone other than Trump or Cruz, and (we can dream) rip the Senate out of Republican hands in the meantime. Speaking as one who is only slightly younger than you are, I think from experience we agree on hoping for the best yet preparing for the worst.Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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anglagard Member (Idle past 864 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
jar writes: In Chicago '68 it was the police that rioted, just as at the il Donald rallies it has been the Trump supporters who attacked protesters. Yeah, and I made the mistake of assuming everyone knew that, because I knew that.Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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anglagard Member (Idle past 864 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined:
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Washington: 81% reporting -
Sanders 72%Clinton 28% Alaska: 100% reporting - Sanders 81%Clinton 19% source OK - CA, NY follow their lead, do your duty, and send that DINO warmonger back to the fossil bed along with all neoliberals.Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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anglagard Member (Idle past 864 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Frako writes: I would like to take this time to remind republicans, that out of 17 esteemed candidates you have narrowed your choice down to Donald trump and Ted Cruze. Now sit back and reflect on that. All of them believe in taking earned money from the poor and middle class and giving it to their trust fund parasite supporters via "entitlement" reform. All of them believe all problems are caused by increasing melanin count and the solution is more bombing. All believe Black Loves don't matter and neither does their vote. The only perceivable difference is how much they admit to having no solutions other than an appeal to fear and hate. Trump is just saying what they all believe. Cruz is just believing his delusional daddy when he thinks he is the next John the Baptist. They all suck at being human, period. Edited by anglagard, : add last two sentences.Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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anglagard Member (Idle past 864 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
NWR writes: It's simple. She can get things done. And she has a better chance of winning in the general election. Sanders is an obscure politician whom most people had not heard of, until recently. His policy proposals are reasonable. I prefer them over Hillary's. But a president does not have the authority to carry them out. They are ideas that have to be won at the grass roots. Hillary knows how to work the grass roots. Sanders doesn't. The last time that the Democrats had a candidate like Sanders was in 1972. It was George McGovern, and he was whipped in the general election. At present, polls suggest that Sanders could win. But the Republicans have not yet aimed their big guns at him. When they do, they will say that he is a commie pinko, and they will use his own campaign speeches for that. His support will drop. By contrast, they have been attacking Hillary for 20 years, and she seems to be able to deal with their attacks. Yes, I wish there were a better candidate than Hillary. But Sanders is not such a candidate. Millennials disagree with your assessment. May you live long enough to witness, after Hillary meets and possibly exceeds the two war, one recession minimum set by the Bushes, Elizabeth Warren as President in 2020. Sheesh what pessimists, go back to reading Schopenhauer and stop picking on millennials before they wish you and your extremely limited idea of the possible - dead.Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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anglagard Member (Idle past 864 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
I am calling you out for this post because it is either the result of woeful ignorance or deliberate lies. It is so transparently false rebutting is a simple matter of common sense.
Big_Al35 writes: Cruz is a Bush operative (that would make a fourth term for the Bushes) Last I looked Jeb Bush ran for the nomination. Are you actually suggesting they would support Cruz over their own? Right now, I figure they are scheming on a way to deny either Trump or Cruz the nomination as befits their sense of entitlement.
and for the democrats you have Clinton who is totally fake. Perhaps the only part of your post grounded in an element of truth. After all, she affects a Southern accent in the traitor states just as little Bush pretended to be a bumpkin before his bumpkin audience, I assure you they speak differently to their rich donors and masters.
Sanders is a ringer for Clinton. How uninformed can one be? You must get all your information from Fox News. Sanders supports single-payer health care, Clinton, wallowing in all those donations from big pharma and other parasites involved in the process, does not. Sanders supports a $15 minimum wage, Clinton reluctantly supports $12, a promise likely unkept after the Walton family reminds her of who is the master and who is the slave. Sanders supports free college tuition, Clinton does not. Sanders generally does not support wars of choice, Clinton wants ground troops in Lybia (to cover her mistakes), Syria (to make more), Afghanistan, and God knows where else until she suddenly discovers she ran out of soldiers. Which of course will result in a recession, and another opportunity to screw over the 99% in favor of the 1%. After all she lobbied on support of overthrowing the elected government of Honduras in favor of turning that nation into 'the murder capital of the world.' And that just scratches the surface.
You notice how even though he keeps winning he is happy for Clinton to take all of his delegates. Unbelievable - how is it even possible to come to that conclusion?? I would advise you to contact a reputable academic librarian immediately to cure you of either abject ignorance or willful dishonesty. Study the difference between shit and shineola under their tutelage and get back to us after a year or so when you have learned, lest you embarrass yourself any further in this forum.Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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