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AZPaul3
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Message 1 of 478 (780531)
03-16-2016 8:02 AM


Since the once "Oh No, The New Awesome Primary Thread" has been poisoned to the point of being a useless ghost of its former self let us attempt to resurrect its utility by abandoning that steaming pile of feculence to its droppings and continue the worthy original purpose of that thread in a new home.
Dr. A's OP:
quote:
I keep looking at the sodding calendar. I am fairly certain that it's early 2015. The presidential election, I keep looking it up, is in November 2016. And yet people keep telling me that the primary season is upon us. I think the whole world has gone mad.
And yet, here we are. Here we fucking are. God help us all.
So, once again, this is the thread for discussing the primaries, and if you even think we should be doing so at this point, then may you be cursed with a thousand plagues and may angry wombats eat your underwear. Nonetheless ... here we are.
I shall write my customary bitterly sarcastic synopsis of the candidates at the first moment when I've recovered from the concept that we should even be thinking about this crap right now.
A worthy venture requiring resurrection.
The last germane on-topic post from the sewer pit of that befouled lost thread:
quote:
3/16 - 1 am Eastern
Donald - 621 delegates pledged
Ted - 395
Marco - 168
John - 138
Marco Rubio has dropped out of the race after losing his home state, Florida.
John Kasich won his home state, Ohio, but trails the delegate count badly.
Donald Trump now has more than half the 1237 delegates needed for nomination already pledged to him.
Hillary - 1094 pledged with another 467 super delegates in support
Bernie - 774 pledged with 26 supers in support
At 1561 pledged and support delegates Hillary now has more than half the 2382 delegates needed for nomination.
With the Democrat leadership fully on board, barring a Bernie-led miracle (2405 delegates still to be selected), Hillary will win the Democratic Party nomination.
The Republican leadership, however, is not so well enamored of their lead candidate and are, so rumor has it, maneuvering (1136 delegates still to be selected) to prevent a first ballot win at the convention thus releasing the majority of delegates from their pledges to specific candidates and into a brokered convention.
This is gonna be fun.
Let us continue our discussions here unfettered by the offal of the older abode.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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Message 2 of 478 (780535)
03-16-2016 9:26 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by AZPaul3
03-16-2016 8:02 AM


if there is an Anyone but il Donald vote...
If you add up the current standings il Donald has something less than half of the current pledged delegates.
If there really is an anyone but il Donald movement this might foreshadow a brokered convention and perhaps a split into a third party movement.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 3 of 478 (780536)
03-16-2016 9:49 AM


Donald's Insecurity Showing
This is pretty mindblowing. In order to volunteer for the Donald, you have to sign an agreement which says, among other things:
2. No Disparagement. During the term of your service and at all times thereafter you hereby promise and agree not to demean or disparage publicly the Company, Mr. Trump, any Trump Company, any Family Member, or any Family Member Company or any asset any of the foregoing own, or product or service any of the foregoing offer, in each case by or in any of the Restricted Means and Contexts and to prevent your employees from doing so.
Got that? Not only are you forever barred from criticizing any aspect of Trump's business empire, but you must also prevent any of your present or future employees from doing so. Presumably by threats of termination, since following them around and holding their mouths shut would be illegal.
You are also obliged to prevent your employees from working for another campaign:
3. No Competitive Services. Until the Non-Compete Cutoff Date you promise and agree not to assist or counsel, directly or indirectly, for compensation or as a volunteer, any person that is a candidate or exploring candidacy for President of the United States other than Mr. Trump and to prevent your employees from doing so.

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Message 4 of 478 (780538)
03-16-2016 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Dr Adequate
03-16-2016 9:49 AM


Re: Donald's Insecurity Showing
Does the Donald also promise to pay your legal fees if the employees you coerce turn around and sue you? Or, are the contract's obligations strictly unilateral?

-Blue Jay, Ph.D.*
*Yeah, it's real
Darwin loves you.

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AZPaul3
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Message 5 of 478 (780539)
03-16-2016 10:35 AM
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Re: if there is an Anyone but il Donald vote...
...this might foreshadow a brokered convention...
And should this happen we can expect the Trump officials to issue statements saying that Trump supporters really shouldn't riot like that outside the convention hall even though mightily provoked like not having their man immediately anointed on the first ballot.

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Message 6 of 478 (780542)
03-16-2016 10:43 AM
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03-16-2016 10:35 AM


Re: if there is an Anyone but il Donald vote...
Chicago Police are experienced with handling rowdy Political Convention crowds. If it comes to that my money would be on the Chicago Police.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 7 of 478 (780543)
03-16-2016 10:58 AM
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03-16-2016 10:43 AM


Re: if there is an Anyone but il Donald vote...
Republican Convention July 18-21 in Cleveland Ohio.
July avg 83F - nice rioting temperature
Is it too late to move to Las Vegas? July avg 104F - You can riot, I'm going to the air conditioned Elvis Revue.
Besides I thought rioting is something only the liberals do.

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Message 8 of 478 (780545)
03-16-2016 11:24 AM


Regarding Obama worship for Faith
[ Obama isn't entered in any primary. Content hidden but viewable by clicking "edit" (Lammy only) or "peek" (everyone else). Please repost over at the Oh No, The New Awesome Primary Thread. --Admin ]
Edited by Admin, : Hide content.

If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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Message 9 of 478 (780549)
03-16-2016 12:21 PM
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Re: Regarding Obama worship for Faith
[ Obama isn't entered in any primary. Content hidden but viewable by clicking "edit" (Faith only) or "peek" (everyone else). Please repost over at the Oh No, The New Awesome Primary Thread. --Admin ]
Edited by Admin, : Content hidden.

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Message 11 of 478 (780558)
03-16-2016 3:45 PM
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03-16-2016 9:49 AM


Re: Donald's Insecurity Showing
I wonder how many of Trump's supporters are able to read and understand this "agreement".

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Message 12 of 478 (780560)
03-16-2016 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by AZPaul3
03-16-2016 8:02 AM


Great Move
AZPaul3 writes:
Let us continue our discussions here unfettered by the offal of the older abode.
Great move, let's hope this thread is not hijacked like the previous one so no one else feels compelled to repeat such an action.
Edited by anglagard, : forgot title, how negligent of me

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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Message 13 of 478 (780562)
03-16-2016 5:43 PM
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03-16-2016 10:43 AM


Re: if there is an Anyone but il Donald vote...
jar writes:
Chicago Police are experienced with handling rowdy Political Convention crowds. If it comes to that my money would be on the Chicago Police.
Except, of course, quelling any rioting at the Republican Convention will be the job of the Cleveland Police.
Nevertheless, should Trump be denied the nomination, it will obviously compare with Humphrey's back in 1968 and is likely to result in a similar outcome.
I had a history teacher who, with some friends, witnessed the Chicago riots firsthand from a rooftop above the fray. He stated, "we thought it was the end of the world."
Upvote for prescient comparison.
Apparently The Houston Chronicle deserves an upvote as well.
Edited by anglagard, : apparently others agree

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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Message 14 of 478 (780572)
03-17-2016 7:41 AM
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03-16-2016 5:43 PM


Re: if there is an Anyone but il Donald vote...
anglagard writes:
Nevertheless, should Trump be denied the nomination, it will obviously compare with Humphrey's back in 1968...
Humphrey won his party's nomination back in 1968, so I had to think a minute and look up Humphrey before I could figure out the comparison you're drawing, and I'm still not sure. Is it that Trump's denial of the Republican nomination in a multi-candidate race would be like Humprey's denial of the presidency in a multi-candidate race?
--Percy

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AZPaul3
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Message 15 of 478 (780573)
03-17-2016 8:50 AM
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03-16-2016 5:43 PM


My Shiny Crown or Your Bloody Nose
Chicago 1968 was a different scenario altogether. Richard Daley, longtime Mayor and kingpin of the corrupt democratic political machine in Cook County, was a delegate to the convention and was embarrassed that the hippies were demonstrating, peacefully, around the convention center and the Democratic Headquarters. These were, after all, commie anti-Vietnam War renegades and street thugs that had no place in despoiling his great city and his personal shining moment on national TV. Mayor Daley ordered his police to clear the demonstrators from the streets and confine them to a city park a few blocks up the street.
The police riot that ensued, and yes it was the police that erupted in violent rioting, brutally clubbing, gassing and beating the demonstrators and the media (carrying their cameras and wearing jackets and armbands reading "PRESS") and anyone else standing in the vicinity, was watched in horror all across the country in realtime.
The difference with the potential action in Cleveland this summer will be that the Trump supporters, who are known, have a history, to precipitate violence at the merest suggestion from their demagogue leader (a suggestion already given) will erupt into violence if Trump is denied his shiny crown.
The bad news is that the rioting in 1968 destroyed the Democratic party leading to the election of Richard Nixon. The good news is that the same could destroy the Republican party in 2016 leading to the election of anyone other than Trump or Cruz, and (we can dream) rip the Senate out of Republican hands in the meantime.
Edited by AZPaul3, : title
Edited by AZPaul3, : speln

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