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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but, as far as I can tell LaRouche is not running for president this year.
I would like to keep this thread centered on the present campaigns, please.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Last nignt, when I watched CNN, some Cruz campaigner kept on calling Trump 'Liberal Trump'.
Is being branded 'liberal' a bad thing in the US? I mean, even Cameron and Merkel and Trudeau are all very proud to be branded as 'liberals'. In Australia the Prime Minister is very liberal (Liberal Party and all), yet represents a conservative party. And he's proud to be branded as liberal. In most western countries being branded as 'liberals' are worn as a badge of honour. The centre ground. At least they're the opposite of fascists and communists. And proud of it. Why does the Cruz campaign think that a 'liberal' is a bad badge? Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Liberal is almost as bad as been Progressive.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
In some States in the US, I guess. As in most of Africa to be progressive or liberal is seen to be a really bad, bad thing.
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Pressie writes: Is being branded 'liberal' a bad thing in the US? When pandering to conservatives, 'liberal' is an epithet. Conversely, when pandering to liberals, 'conservative' is an epithet. My guess is that the definition of liberal and conservative differs considerably between countries and continents. --Percy
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Why does the Cruz campaign think that a 'liberal' is a bad badge?
I think this started with Newt Gingrich or his advisors (or perhaps it was Reagan). They started playing a game of demonization, and "liberal" was one of the words that they set out to demonize.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Why does the Cruz campaign think that a 'liberal' is a bad badge? Because they are Republicans. In this country a liberal is one concerned with social justice issues, enlightened regard for people's welfare and a tolerance of the differences in the human condition. A conservative is a religio-facist bigot. Ted Cruz is on the extreme side of the latter.
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes: A conservative is a religio-facist bigot. Ted Cruz is on the extreme side of the latter. Gotta object to that. Not all conservatives are religio-fascist bigots. Not all conservatives are even religious or fascist. Some may even not be bigots. But the current crop running for office as Republicans are at least all fascists.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
They started playing a game of demonization, and "liberal" was one of the words that they set out to demonize. Before Reagan, back in the '60s I remember "bleeding heart liberals" was the epithet.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
edited, a purely emotional response.
Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Admin Director Posts: 13018 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 1.9 |
Let's raise the quality of debate a notch, shall we.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Not all conservatives are religio-fascist bigots. Not all conservatives are even religious or fascist. Some may even not be bigots. Oh. My bad.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1526 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
It seems to me the more "conservative" someone is the more concerned they are with ramming their brand of beliefs and politics into your life.
The more liberal someone is the more they are less likely to not like that."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It seems to me the more "conservative" someone is the more concerned they are with ramming their brand of beliefs and politics into your life. The more liberal someone is the more they are less likely to not like that. Seems to me there was a time when the two sides could coexist with some mutual respect or at least friendly tolerance. Something changed, in the sixties I believe, that turned liberalism from a benign focus on do-goodism to a Marxist point of view, thanks to the Cultural Marxism that was growing in the universities. Feminism is one thing, Marxist feminism is something else. Etc. (ABE: I remember going to a meeting about gay rights where the audience was harangued by the speaker in an angrily baccusatory and threatening way, about how we are ALL "really" homosexuals" and how we have to see things his way or else. I considered myself a liberal in those days but I wanted to walk out, only I was intimidated into sitting it out. I was shaking when I left). And my experience of the left from that point on was that they were extremely aggressive about ramming their self-righteous views down everybody else's throat. Conservatism as we now experience it, grew in reaction against all that, starting with the Moral Majority. It used to represent a reasonable patriotism and a reasonable capitalism that could dialogue with the reasonable do-goodism of the liberal side. But thanks to the infiltration of Cultural Marxism and its Political Correctness, which is nothing but ramming leftism down our throats, the country has become polarized in a very unhealthy way. I don't see a way out of it myself. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.5 |
Faith goes on:
But thanks to the infiltration of Cultural Marxism and its Political Correctness, which is nothing but ramming leftism down our throats, the country has become polarized in a very unhealthy way. wow! to think the SDS was so successful!! Mark Rudd & Tom Hayden must be grinning ear to ear. NOT. You would agree that white men using the 'n'-word is not politically correct, right? So maybe you have a stranger definition of PC? It seems, from you general posting record. Would you call FDR a Marxist?- xongsmith, 5.7d
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