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Blue Jay
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Message 421 of 478 (783409)
05-05-2016 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 398 by Tanypteryx
05-04-2016 12:17 AM


Re: Cruz Is Out
Hi, Tanypteryx.
Tanypteryx writes:
Ted's a turd that will not flush.
Heh. Turd Cruz.

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Message 422 of 478 (783426)
05-05-2016 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 418 by nwr
05-04-2016 6:27 PM


Re: Cruz Is Out
Hi nwr,
Yep. But he will do it.
He listens to what the polished knowledgeable political adviser tell him to do........and then he does the exact opposite. IT HAS BEEN WORKING. But now he may actually need to listen to some greasy politicians to gain a broader appeal.
Are American voters that niave? That stoooooopid?
I honestly believe that many Americans would vote for any reality TV star if they were on a ticket. Because the GOP has soured their own voter block with fecklessness and obstructiveness.
Trump is the Monster to the GOP's Dr. Frankenstein. They created him and tried to destroy him and now he is coming home to daddy.
I can't imagine Trump shedding his sophomoric racist misogynist image to the point where it will fool anyone. But this is Merika

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 423 of 478 (783482)
05-05-2016 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 381 by AZPaul3
04-28-2016 6:48 PM


Re: Superdelegates defended again.
quote:
Bernie, and I really like Bernie, is too far to the left of the Democratic Party to garner the support needed to win the nomination of the party
Yea. He is a "radical" for being offended that poor people living in New Jersey, Texas, Maryland (or wherever) can only get Medicaid to cover perhaps half of the prescriptions they need (if they even are eligible for the program). He is extreme for feeling that poor people on Medicaid will die of a brain infection because - in Maryland for example - dental benefits are nonexistent for most problems including gum infections (which can spread).
Bernie Sanders has views on health care being a human right, that have been popular enough in New York, that the voter-driven agenda has seen New York - long ago - be the one place in the country where poor get unprecedented coverage(people on Medicaid anyway). More $$$ are spent on health care in NY than anywhere in the world. It's amazing what a Medicaid program in New York covers compared to the other states. It's the difference between life and death. I had a friend who couldn't get a heart defibrillator in neighboring states (he felt is was necessary for survival), so he went to NY and got one quickly.
There was a girl in Utah who had to have an open skull for 4 months after a doctor removed part of it BEFORE waiting for insurance companies to decide on whether to cover an operation.
quote:
Second, Hillary has that support and will skate into Philadelphia to accept the nomination based on pledged delegates alone.
Hillary doesn't think health care is a human right. She only won because the media anointed her early enough based on her huge (super) delegate lead. She was given the vital (in the USA) momentum that drives the voters attitudes and performance at the voting box.
New Yorkers would have voted for Bernie if they hadn't been told for many months that it's all over (Hillary already won from the start according to the media and the sad thing was that is was so rigged that it was).
I can't imagine why anybody who isn't biased and totally un-objective can say the things I just thought I heard AZPaul3 say.
Did he really say them?
Really?
Here is the rest of his post.
quote:
Conspiracy nut.
15% are super delegates. They are all the Democratic Party members of the Senate and the House of Representatives, all serving Democratic Party Governors of states, the Chair and Vice-Chair of the Democratic Party in each state and the members of the Democratic Leadership Council and the Democratic Party National Committee.
They were chosen because of their position. They are not chosen because they like Hillary. That is not "rigged".
They are free to support anyone they so chose. That is not "rigged".
This is the leadership of the party exercising some modicum of control over who best represents the philosophy and agenda of the Democratic Party. That is not "rigged"'
Because of her philosophy, her history, her work and her strength, a majority of those supers are supporting Hillary.
That's not "rigged". That is the party voice.
I'm pinching myself. (and I would be doing so regardless of whether or not he thinks that invoking the decade-long defunct DLC, as a wholesome censor of voters choices, will somehow help his already undemocratic argument pass as representative of anything reflecting average people's concerns and/or wishes.)

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Message 424 of 478 (783489)
05-05-2016 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 423 by LamarkNewAge
05-05-2016 3:29 PM


Re: Superdelegates defended again.
I'm pinching myself.
Shouldn't do that. It leaves marks. People might think your're self-injurious.
...decade-long defunct DLC...
Its only been (almost) 5 years but that's OK. I miss-spoke too.
...undemocratic argument pass as representative of anything reflecting average people's concerns and/or wishes.
The peoples concerns and wishes are all over the political map and no party can even come close to satisfying everyone no matter what they try to do. Again, it isn't the people's concerns and wishes that are being measured and determined but the Party's plan if chosen to rule by the people in November. The parties determine what their platforms and policies will be and the people then determine if one is more to their liking than the others and votes accordingly.
He is a "radical" for being offended that poor people living ...
Bernie Sanders has views on health care being a human right...
And I support that. I voted for him in the Arizona primary. He lost, but not by much. Not enough people, despite my personal best, believe. Yet.
You don't like Hillary. You don't like the process. Enough people do that it makes no difference what either of us think. We each have a decision to make. Go vote for Lyndon LaRouche if it makes you happy.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 425 of 478 (783550)
05-06-2016 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 424 by AZPaul3
05-05-2016 4:47 PM


Re: Superdelegates defended again.
quote:
Its only been (almost) 5 years but that's OK. I miss-spoke too.
Do you know why the DLC collapsed?
All they did was warn of the un-electability of anybody against the Iraq War, the "electoral disaster" for anybody anybody who supports meaningful "reforms" of any sort (aside from reforms that hurt peoples rights which they deem essential), and generally all they did was raise a stink and scream "liberal" "liberal" accusations at the top of their lungs 24/7.
They collapsed because Obama won. It took all the wind out of their sails. They were sinking for a while before that.
They were loosing members like crazy after John Breaux, Al From, et al raised such a stink over those who opposed the Iraq War. There were lots of DLC (average citizen types of) members who opposed the war, and they were disgusted to find out that the DLC was playing such a divisive role in dividing the party and pooping on primary after primary - then, when unsuccessful DLC candidates lost, going on temper tantrum mantras all the way to the general election and generally never shutting up.
The DLCers were pretty offended at even the slightest reforms (in a direction of more coverage) of healthcare. The Larouche view of health care as a human right was simply too "Marxist" to even mention without a derogatory (discussion stopping smear) from the DLC brass and its once legion amounts of mouthpieces which made the collective DLC enterprise a well-invested corporate sponsored megaphone.
I found it amazing you would say they were the deciders. They always insisted it was the people who made all the decisions.
quote:
The peoples concerns and wishes are all over the political map and no party can even come close to satisfying everyone no matter what they try to do. Again, it isn't the people's concerns and wishes that are being measured and determined but the Party's plan if chosen to rule by the people in November. The parties determine what their platforms and policies will be and the people then determine if one is more to their liking than the others and votes accordingly.
I think health care as a human right might just be something that has 50% support (and perhaps much more) across the nation. Lots of people have said for decades "I just might vote if health-care would be the issue at stake" but these are general election type of voters (that might not even understand the primary process and hate political parties so much that they don't even want to think about it much).
Hillary has negatives of at least 54% and it is a disgrace that she even had a single "super-delegate" support her before all the voting was done. A disgrace!
Hillary Clinton Favorable Rating - Polls - HuffPost Pollster
quote:
And I support that. I voted for him in the Arizona primary. He lost, but not by much. Not enough people, despite my personal best, believe. Yet.
You don't like Hillary. You don't like the process. Enough people do that it makes no difference what either of us think. We each have a decision to make. Go vote for Lyndon LaRouche if it makes you happy.
She is pro-war enough that many elite republicans (and nearly all neo-cons) like her much better than the presumptive GOP nominee.
Were you referring to elite right-wingers?
Voters you say?
Well most voters like Bernie and especially his issue stances.
The super delegates disagreed with Sanders "dangerous ideas" but the voters liked these dangerous ideas (like not supporting every last war over the last 24 years as Hillary did).
You Lyndon LaRouche reference was an apt one though. If the elites don't like the ideas, then simply tamper with the arena so that the "arena of ideas" is a one-sided presentation of a quite distorted picture of what is at stake for voters and - THEN - how on earth can they make their vital decisions (what policy? what issue? what exactly? how exactly?).

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 426 of 478 (783554)
05-06-2016 12:24 PM


Washington Post confirms Hillary the original Birther?
This is interesting.
Here is a conclusion by fact-checkers (it is weak on details though).
PolitiFact | Did Hillary Clinton start the Obama birther movement?
Here is a new CNN article (good one)
Did Hillary Clinton start the birther movement? | CNN Politics
This site makes a decent case she did start it. Interesting as it also says Hillary questioned whether he was a Christian.
Bombshell: 'Washington Post' Confirms Hillary Clinton Started the Birther Movement
I wonder where Trump might go with this.
This will be an interesting campaign.
As much as I might dislike these two jokers, I think Jesse Ventura might be getting into the race. The most popular governor in the nation (based on approval ratings in his 1999-2003 term) verses these two semi-abominations.
I actually might be excited about Hillary winning based on her UFO positions except for the fact that she is an extremely dishonest politician. Richard Dolan , on Coast to Coast, was sharing his expertise on government policies toward UFOs (he wrote a fantastic book on Disclosure), and George Norey asked him about Hillary Clinton's promises. Dolan said it would be exciting if she wasn't about as dishonest of a person as they come while conducting herself during campaigns. He suspects her UFO statements were just a trick to help herself appeal to young voters and might not mean much - if anything - when it comes to her policy implementations.
Trump's anti-war positions, Hillary's UFO promises, etc. might make this one interesting.
Throw in Jesse Ventura and you will have some interesting stuff for sure.

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Blue Jay
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Message 427 of 478 (783569)
05-06-2016 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 426 by LamarkNewAge
05-06-2016 12:24 PM


Re: Washington Post confirms Hillary the original Birther?
Hi, LNA.
LamarkNewAge writes:
This is interesting.
You must be using some non-standard definition of the word "interesting," of which I am not aware.

-Blue Jay, Ph.D.*
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Darwin loves you.

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Message 428 of 478 (783570)
05-06-2016 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 427 by Blue Jay
05-06-2016 4:07 PM


Does trump have the guts to point out Hillary's past smears?
I remember when Mark Penn, on national television (MSNBC 2007), raised the issue of Obama supposedly using coke.
The John Edwards campaign manager Joe Trippi , Obama manager David Axelrod, and Clinton manager Penn were all interviewed.
Edwards manager, standing right beside Penn, dressed him down by shouting , (something like) "I think it's an outrage that the Hillary Clinton campaign has yet again raised this outrageous issue that Barak Obama has used cocaine".
Was it on Hardball?
It will be interesting if Trump reminds voters of this Hillary Clinton driven "Obama will be our first crackhead president" whispering campaign .
I do find a lot of this interesting.
Trump won't let her past crap slide.
Trump is unique.

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Message 429 of 478 (783573)
05-06-2016 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 428 by LamarkNewAge
05-06-2016 4:23 PM


Re: Does trump have the guts to point out Hillary's past smears?
Trump won't let her past crap slide.
Trump is unique.
Trump's own crap pile isn't likely to be successfully swept under the carpet.
You're right, Trump is unique.....we have never had this big a slimeball in the presidential finals before. Or someone as uniquely unknowledgeable of presidential responsibilities.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
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If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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05-06-2016 7:08 PM



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Message 431 of 478 (783591)
05-06-2016 10:49 PM
Reply to: Message 430 by Dr Adequate
05-06-2016 7:08 PM


No, no! Make the meteor go away!
This is the most fun we've had in politics since Ross Perot.
And there promises to be soooo much more!

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Message 432 of 478 (783592)
05-06-2016 11:08 PM


While we fiddle.
So here we are frettin about an election between il Donald and The Return of the Clinton Part Deux and London done went and elected themselves a Mayor what ain't even Church of England. Lawdy Lawdy, ain't that sumppin'! Miss Lizzy and Miss Mary they be spinning in their graves. 'course only Miss Mary's body be spinning or maybe it be jess her head spinning or maybe one is spinin widdershins while the other is spinnin sunwise. These be times of great confusun.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

  
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Message 433 of 478 (783595)
05-07-2016 5:47 AM


Apparently dronestar is a cartoonist...
From aNewDomain:

  
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Message 434 of 478 (783599)
05-07-2016 8:21 AM


Prediction
My prediction: Donald Trump and the Republican Party will make nice before the convention, though there will be many individual Republicans who refuse to have anything to do with him.
Locally in my own state of New Hampshire Republican Senator Kelly Ayotte says she will not be attending the convention. I like Kelly most of the time - a fair number of her votes seem sensible rather than political, but get a load of this piece of verbiage from a recent statement:
quote:
As she’s said from the beginning, Kelly plans to support the nominee. As a candidate herself, she hasn’t and isn’t planning to endorse anyone this cycle, said Liz Johnson, communications director for Kelly for New Hampshire.
Johnson said the senator is not endorsing Trump.
Ayotte supports but does not endorse Donald Trump? Uh, okay.
Many Republicans currently touching Trump with ten foot poles will get much closer as the election approaches, but probably not Ayotte. She's in a tight contest with current Democratic governor Maggie Hassan.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Minor wordsmithing.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 435 of 478 (783604)
05-07-2016 8:48 AM
Reply to: Message 431 by AZPaul3
05-06-2016 10:49 PM


Look, the meteor has lots of good points. It'll prevent ISIS from taking over any more of the Middle East. It'll put a stop to anthropogenic global warming. It'll lower the number of unemployed people. It'll decrease wasteful government overspending. It'll wipe out the trade deficit ... among other things.
Giant Meteor 2016. Because it's time we let another species have a try.

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