Yes, The Real The New Awesome Primary Thread

Bernie Sanders held on to squeak out a victory in West Virginia with 51% of the Democratic vote. Hillary still leads the race with 1716 pledged delegates to Bernie's 1430, but "Dad" (as he is being called by the young idealists) continues to battle. Not for the nomination (that is pretty much out of his reach at this point), but to move the Democratic Party more toward the political left.Meanwhile, in what has become the boring side of the primary struggles, The Donald, now unopposed, swept both W. Virginia and Nebraska with large margins over his now collapsed opposition. Ol' Hairpiece took 61% in Nebraska and an eye-popping 77% in W. Virginia.The Democrats did their thing in Nebraska way back in early March where Bernie had a hefty win of 57% over Hillary's 43%.So now, both races are effectively over with both Hillary and Donald all but assured of nomination at the parties' conventions. Bernie will continue to push the Democratic Party agenda to the left while the Republicans try to figure out whether they even have one anymore. Well, The Wall^TM, of course, but maybe there should be more to the Republicans than a bombastic disjointed tirade against ... everything.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

I think most people on this forum are pretty establishment. For example you guys believe in science, evolution, and the big bang. You believe those things because they are sensible, factual and logical. In fact anyone who doesn't share those opinions is almost declared a whacko nut-job. On the other hand you also believe that Trump is dumb, racist and full of bluster. A viewpoint shared by the dinosaur media.I too have massive issues with Trump but if the establishment is against Trump then there is a chance that he might be anti neo-con.

Not dumb. But a racist, misogynist, full of shit, dishonest, cruel, ignorant (which is different than being dumb) and a potential despot, yes.And you still have not told us who the alternate media are and why they should be considered.

racist - ok he wants to build a wall and impose a ban I'll give you that one
misogynist - hardly he surrounds himself with women
full of shit - your opinion
dishonest - all politicians are liars
cruel - he hasn't started any wars that I know of
ignorant - at least he doesn't know all the gory details of the Bushes and the Clintons but he does know some of it

And you still have not told us who the alternate media are and why they should be considered.

You can surround yourself with women and be a misogynist. Your excuse sounds like the guy who says : "I'm not racist, I have a black friend!". Yes but some are more dishonest than others : http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
76% of is statements are rated below Half True Supporting torture and killing terrorists' families isn't cruel in Big_Al35's mind. Thanks for letting us know. What is it supposed to mean?

Trump's primary drawing card is that he talks straight instead of in political-speak. It's refreshing when a politician talks to the same reality everyone else sees. Trump speaks to the real concerns of everyday people. He's a populist, and a darn good one.But it isn't as if we haven't seen populists before. The problem they tend to share is that the qualities that make them so appealing are not ones that lend themselves to governing. Many of Trump's ideas would make good premises for movie plots - they're things we'd like to see just to see what would happen, like building 30-foot walls, devaluing our debt, dictating policy to allies, etc.Trump *is* ignorant (on a grand scale) of things political, but he is obviously brilliant and a quick study. We'd have to hope that these qualities come to the fore in a Trump presidency, but given the slow gait at which he's morphing into a campaigner who isn't alienating huge portions of the voting populace (woman, Latinos, Muslims, blacks, military veterans, etc.) there seems little reason to expect it.--Percy

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So now, both races are effectively over with both Hillary and Donald all but assured of nomination at the parties' conventions

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Sanders has won 2 more since you and me were discussing the value of the insurgent taking 17 states to Hillary's 23. Indiana and West Virginia have brought him within 4 states of Hillary (now 19 verses 23) and Oregon and Kentucky (aside from Washington holding a primary, but Sanders already took the delegate determining caucus by about 70% to 30%) are up next Tuesday.(I should have put "determining", above, in quotation marks, because the super delegates ruin that one. Sanders won Nebraska easily a while back, and voters gave him 15 out of 25 delegates but all 3 super-delegates went to Hillary)In the general election, I forgot to add that Pennsylvania was one state that the NYT said Trump would win if he improved by 10% verses what the polls were saying (a week ago) he would get against Hillary.The Electoral Map Looks Challenging for Trump - The New York TimesOn May 4, NYT said, "Current national and battleground state polls have Mr. Trump trailing Mrs. Clinton by about 10 percentage points should they face off in the general election." Hillary would win 337 to 191 in the Electoral College. But if Trump did 5% better in just 3 states (North Carolina, Florida, and Ohio), then it would be just a 285 to 253 Hillary win.An improvement of 10% in all the states would give him Virginia, Colorado, Iowa, New Hampshire, and Pennsylvania.He actually is only down 6.4% among the RealClear average as of today.I already showed that he is only down by 5% in New Hampshire. But here are even newer polls in Ohio and Pennsylvania.

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Florida: Trump vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Clinton 43, Trump 42 Clinton +1
Ohio: Trump vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Clinton 39, Trump 43 Trump +4
Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Clinton 43, Trump 42 Clinton +1

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Florida: Trump vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Trump 42, Sanders 44 Sanders +2
Ohio: Trump vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 43, Trump 41 Sanders +2
Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 47, Trump 41 Sanders +6

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General Election: Trump vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 47, Trump 41 Clinton +6
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders PPP (D) Sanders 50, Trump 39 Sanders +11

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realclearpolitics.com

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Why do I get the feeling we are looking at a President Trump?The super-delegates bear the blame if that happens.Sanders leads Trump by 18% in conservative North Carolina (the only Pro-life state on the entire east coast, though Pennsylvania is 50-50), so we know he can't loose to Trump.Sanders just can't loose to Trump.Clinton can and perhaps (probably?) very well will.

He hasn't had the chance. That's like praising me by saying that none of my companies has gone bankrupt.

Bernie Sanders campaign: Dems 'court disaster' in Clinton | CNN Politics

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Washington (CNN) Bernie Sanders' campaign manager Jeff Weaver sent a sharply worded fundraising appeal on Wednesday, saying that Democrats "court disaster" by nominating Hillary Clinton.

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He also insisted -- despite the fact that Sanders trails Clinton in both pledged delegates and superdelegates and faces a nearly impossible path to the nomination -- that there will be a contested Democratic National Convention.

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"The Democratic Party must decide if they want the candidate with the momentum who is best positioned to beat (Donald) Trump or if they are willing to roll the dice and court disaster simply to protect the status quo for the political and financial establishment of this country," Weaver wrote.

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He cited a "scary" Quinnipiac University poll of swing states Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania showing tight races between Clinton and presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump -- races that Sanders performed slightly better in, though within the poll's margin of error.

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"Because we must do everything we can to defeat Trump in November, our mission is to win as many pledged delegates as we can between now and June 14," Weaver wrote. "Then we're going to have a contested convention."

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We shall see if these are "super delegates" or "super jokers".The GOP race is decided.The Democratic race is still red hot for months to come.Sanders just clobbered Hillary in West Virginia, even winning the female vote, so Hillary's identity politics where she uses wedge issues to win the least common denominator clearly isn't working. On top of that, Sanders was only loosing, in a poll, by 1% in WV to Cruz while Clinton lost by 13%. Clinton lost to Trump by 27% and Sanders by 21%.There might be some evidence that Sanders could even put West Virginia in play.We need to spend our attention(at EVC and elsewhere) on the race that still is, not the one that was.All Trump comments should center around how he compares to Hillary verses how he compares to Sanders.Example.He is only relatively anti-war when matched verses Clinton.He is slightly more pro-war against Sanders.Bernie can still win the pledged delegate race if he gets like 66% of the vote in remaining states.But the super delegates should be considered up for grabs. Hillary can't mathematically win without supers.They make their final decision at the convention.

Yesterday on CNN:

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Donald Trump and House Speaker Paul Ryan concluded their highly anticipated meeting Thursday amid signals that the Republican Party will work to piece itself together after a fractious primary.

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Oh, what a surprise.--Percy

Hi Bliyaal. Yeah, a misogynist is more likely to keep a harem than a non-misogynist.

Trump is on 1134 delegates with 438 still available. Perhaps he is establishment after all - LOL.

In the words of the great Donald Trump: "You know, it doesn't really matter what [the media] write as long as you've got a young and beautiful piece of ass."