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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
jar writes: And a better me makes a better servant for Him.
Two of the main purposes of prayer and fasting are setting aside time for introspection, for examining YOUR past behavior and deciding how to change YOUR future behavior, and as a tool to build empathy, to better understand what life without comforts is like.Prayer and fasting are meant to help you improve you. Faith writes: And we all could use a dose of humility. ... It may also sensitize you to your own faults at the same time.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Faith writes: Because jar says that we are responsible for what we do. Im trying to show him that God is responsible for strengthening us through prayer and fasting. It is His promise. It is also our responsibility as Christians to pray and fast as led by the Spirit. Phat has been saying most of this already though. I don't know what the problem is with getting his point.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
nonukes writes: No buts about it! Jesus did recommend prayer and fasting. But did Jesus ever indicate that doing so helped feed the poor or shelter the homeless? No. He told us that doing so was our own responsibility. You aren't suppose to simply pray and fast in order to get a mystical visit to folks in prison, you are supposed to take your butt to the big house.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
ringo writes: Do you consider your life "His Time" or "Your Time"? Your earthly employer would probably tell you to do your prayer and fasting on your own time; as long as there are customers waiting to be fed, your job is to feed them.
the poor we will always have with us. The hungry too. Does God expect us to skip prayer simply to feed one more person? They will hunger again unless we feed them spiritual food. Yet if we fail to pray, we have failed to attend company meetings all in the interest of feeding one more of the masses. Im quite sure you will want to keep the store open for the late straggler rather than edify andf strengthen yourself through prayer. Then again, you probably don't think you need prayer. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Phat writes: They will hunger again unless we feed them spiritual food. jar,emphatically writes: That is utter bullshit and a sorry excuse as well. I am not emphasizing excuses why not to feed the masses. I am emphasizing valid reasons to pray. When Jesus told Peter to "feed my sheep" He was not simply talking about food.
Q: Where does the Bible say "teach a man to fish?" My point is that by following Jesus you imitate all that Jesus did. How often do we see Jesus praying?A: The Bible doesn't say "teach a man to fish," this phrase is from a Chinese proverb. The full text is: "Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime." FULL ANSWER The passage in the Bible that is commonly thought to say "teach a man to fish" is found in Mathew 4:19. Here, Jesus is walking near the shore of the Sea of Galilee, when he sees two brothers, Simon and Andrew, throwing out their fishing nets. Jesus says them, "follow me and I will make you fishers of men." (NASB) In the next verse, Simon, also known as Peter, and Andrew drop their nets and follow Jesus, thus becoming his first disciples. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Have you?
Consider this: quote: Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Lets try the OT:
Deuteronomy 8:3 writes: What makes you think that Jesus only thought of natural food? And he humbled you and let you hunger and fed you with manna, which you did not know, nor did your fathers know, that he might make you know that man does not live by bread alone, but man lives by every word that comes from the mouth of the Lord.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
see message 198
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
ringo writes: You're pretending to "strengthen yourself" while you're defeating your own purpose. All I'm saying--again-and yes we have gone over this before-is that a Christian is called to do more than to simply be a worker bee that feeds and clothes people. Anybody can do that. We do that. My point is that we are called to do more than that. Our purpose is more than just providing physical needs.. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
How does one comfort the sorrowful? People who have lost loved ones due to death? People who are themselves about to die. I firmly believe that we are called to offer them a Blessed Hope. To be Jesus Christ to them. To offer hope beyond this life as well as hope in this life. If you simply tell them that Jesus is not alive, you may be factually correct in that we do not know, but you are not representing Christianity well at all. The evidence tells us that Jesus is no longer alive and that His death was not as important as some Christians suggest. This is wrong.
As for feeding the hungry, I again emphasize that merely giving a man a paper bag from the food bank will not do much for them spiritually--apart from making them physically full for the moment. Jesus expected us to provide spiritual nourishment as well as physical nourishment. healing the sick is so much more than ER. Healing the sick is more than band-aids, Chicken soup, and Proper medicine. There is a mental/spiritual component here as well. I will give you that clothing the naked is fairly straight forward. Symbolically, however, I would assert that clothing them with righteousness is an added dimension. You might call it recruiting...and may disagree with the practice, as most good Jews do.
1 : to induce someone to convert to one's faith. 2 : to recruit someone to join one's party, institution, or cause. I would argue, however, that knowing Jesus is good for everybody on the planet. What do people think about once they have met you? Do they see an old man that is honest yet cusses and makes jokes about getting laid? Do they see an old Eisenhower Republican who is well versed in logic and critical thinking? Do they see a good scholar who was too arrogant for college? A lover of pens? A contrarian who hangs out at EvC and outposts all of us? This same argument can be used at me. What do people see when they read my posts? When we comfort the sorrowful, feed the hungry, heal(or tend to) the sick,and clothe the naked WHOM do we represent? Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Jesus said we will always have the poor with us, so you're never finished doing X. So what good will it do merely to keep people fed if they die without knowing the Truth?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
What good is it to know "The Truth" if you're dead? John3:16 writes:
And as long as I'm on this "quotes" kick, I may as well throw in David Niven--
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.I've taken up the Bible again, somewhat in the spirit of W.C. Fields - looking for loopholes. David Niven Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
What good is "eternal" life if this life is miserable? I fully agree. And again..im not against feeding people materialistically as it were..I'm just saying not to limit a Christian to this task...its a waste of talent. Anybody can feed people. Its like having a PhD teach 1st grade. Normal folks dont know squat about eternal life. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
jar writes: The truth is the light. The truth is the Spirit. Jesus said to Pilate that He was(and is) the Truth.
You use the term truth very loosely and I really wonder if you have a clue what the word means or what the quotes YOU provide mean? Quoting John 3:16 out of context a great example of the utter bankruptcy and dishonesty of the "Biblical Christians". You sure have it out for these so-called Biblical Christians, don't you. It seemingly infuriates you that they think they have found a loophole of getting out of hell and into heaven without doing any work. If you hung out with me for any length of time you would find that I do as much if not more "work" than you think. But thats irrelevant.
quote: jar writes: Where have I ever indicated that doing is not necessary? All i have pointed out to Ringo is that a Christian has a bigger job to do than simply feed and cloth people like they work at a food bank/thrift store.
Notice that it goes on to talk about how belief is shown and that is by doing, not just believing. It's about what people do Phat, not what they believe. Its about both, jar. Its just that simple.
jar writes: I have no problem with you re-emphasizing it again and again. My only concern is that you have poor Ringo convinced that giving spare change and feeding people is enough. To me this is only the tip of the iceberg. But you don't like that...Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Did Jesus pray? Are we to take up our cross and follow Him? What does it mean to follow Him, if not to do as he did?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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