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Jon
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Message 1 of 95 (780915)
03-27-2016 3:29 PM


... actually, it's our in-house ISIS ally: the U.S. Fascist Left.
quote:
"Removal of Confederate Symbols Turns Ugly in New Orleans" from CBS News:
"I think it should come down, just because of the symbolism behind it."
Yes, indeed! It does represent the infidels.
Has the Left become so short-sighted that it cannot see it is slowly becoming the very monsters it once fought?
From petitioning university presidents to silence political speech to the destruction of historical sites thought heretical, the Fascist Left has been pulling pages right out of the books of some of history's greatest turds in their effort to shelter themselves and others from a world they find distasteful and - oh no! - offensive; to erase everything that does not align with their worldview.
It's really too bad we can't have an honestly enlightened and progressive political movement in this country instead of the practice of trading one authoritarian regime for another.
And with that: Happy Easter!

Love your enemies!

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Jon
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Message 3 of 95 (780918)
03-27-2016 4:40 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Phat
03-27-2016 3:41 PM


Re: Left Right Left
I was always taught that the ideological "right" were fascists in the extreme whereas the ideological left were communist/socialists in the extreme.
On a spectrum that confuses things as distinct as cats and dogs I suppose.
But there is nothing stopping anyone from being a fascist, whether they align themselves with the Left or the Right.

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Jon
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Message 5 of 95 (780922)
03-27-2016 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Modulous
03-27-2016 6:53 PM


And your best evidence of this is a gardener who expresses her opinion when a journalist asks it? What a fucking fascist!
The evidence is the whole stream of nonsense sweeping the U.S. South regarding anything that may remind anyone of the Confederacy and the Fascist Left's repeated use of 'offense' to silence opposing view points.
Because some liberals said 'the statues should be taken down', the City Council voted on it, and the vote passed and then people {who happen to be fans of the confederacy presumably} set fire to hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of property belonging to those who were going to carry out the democratically agreed upon act. Death threats were also issued.
How are the liberals the Fascists in this?
Petitioning people using speech is not Fascistic, voting on something and abiding by that vote is not Fascistic. Using arson and death threats is Fascistic. The liberals did the former. Presumably those that did the latter were a few nutters on the right wing - I believe the Confederate flag supporters are typically right wing, yes?
The responses are unacceptable. But so is your argument that there is nothing fascistic about the whole thing simply because there was a 'vote'.
You are aware of the concept of the tyranny of the majority, are you not?
To argue that fascism cannot live off the willful voting of an authoritarian electorate bent on suppressing everything it finds contrary to its worldview is disingenuous and ignores the history of pretty much forever.
These folks are just Trumpees in blue hats with more favorable press.
Edited by Jon, : No reason given.
Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

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Jon
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Message 9 of 95 (780931)
03-28-2016 7:22 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Dr Adequate
03-28-2016 4:26 AM


Then where is drawn the line?

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Jon
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Message 13 of 95 (780937)
03-28-2016 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Dr Adequate
03-28-2016 9:40 AM


Well, apparently you personally do not draw the line at taking down the statues of the defeated leaders of a discredited regime.
But you don't actually know my position on that issue.

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Jon
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Message 27 of 95 (781230)
04-02-2016 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by ringo
03-29-2016 12:31 PM


Reasons Matter
Need to build a highway? Move 'em to the museum. Need to flood a nearby river? Move 'em to the museum.
The fascism comes into play specifically when you desire their removal because of the 'message' you think they send.
Libraries throw books away all the time - they get worn, aren't read often, need the space, etc. Nobody much cares when they do it as part of their usual business goings on.
But there is understandably a certain amount of discomfort felt by more liberal minds upon finding out that a library may have thrown away a book because of the 'message' it contains.
People who believe that stuff with certain 'messages' should be hidden from public view just because of the message are fascists by definition. And they are certainly no better than the folks of ISIS tearing down Roman arches because they represent the 'enemy'.
It's also not clear that they can all be removed without causing some irreparable damage - meaning much like ISIS, some of these monuments will simply be getting destroyed because they come from the infidels.

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Jon
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Message 33 of 95 (781238)
04-02-2016 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Tanypteryx
04-02-2016 12:44 PM


Re: Reasons Matter
I find this whole "if you don't like my display of symbols of hate, you are a fascist" a bizarre argument.
As do I...

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Jon
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Message 41 of 95 (781284)
04-03-2016 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Dr Adequate
04-02-2016 4:37 PM


Re: Reasons Matter
It is silly - but telling - that you compare the actions of the folks in New Orleans to those of soldiers in war.
Do you really think them comparable?

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Jon
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Message 42 of 95 (781285)
04-03-2016 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by NoNukes
04-03-2016 12:08 PM


Re: limits and boundaries
What people do seem to want is to have additional attractions and features added to the park associated with the mountain that tell more of the history behind the civil war. I find that request completely practical.
Interestingly, this was one of the suggestions for settling the New Orleans controversy given by someone in the article linked to in the OP:
quote:
"Removal of Confederate Symbols Turns Ugly in New Orleans" from CBS News:
"Why take it down? Put a statue of somebody positive in black history right here, in the midst of Beauregard, or in the midst of Lee. We support that."
A city full of statues doesn't sound like a bad idea.
Though it might make it hard for some folks to find the nearest Wal-Mart.

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Message 48 of 95 (781498)
04-04-2016 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Dr Adequate
04-04-2016 1:16 AM


Re: Reasons Matter
Civilized people in a peaceable setting do not and should not behave like soldiers in a time of war nor understand their world through an imagined lens of victimhood and perpetual struggle - and, in fact, it is quite a hallmark of the fascist mind that they would.

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Jon
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Message 56 of 95 (781585)
04-05-2016 7:26 PM


Fly your Flags Somewhere Else...
Oh for fuck's sake people this isn't about a flag.
It's about actual monuments made of stone and metal, some of which will be irreparably damaged if taken from where they stand.

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Jon
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Message 57 of 95 (781586)
04-05-2016 7:30 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by NoNukes
04-04-2016 10:37 PM


Re: Reasons Matter
Show me that someone living today is an actual victim of the statue of Beauregard and we'll talk.
Fuck, describe what it would even mean to be a victim of a statue.
Until then, you're just blowing bullshit smoke out all your holes.
Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

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Jon
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Message 58 of 95 (781587)
04-05-2016 7:33 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Dr Adequate
04-04-2016 11:11 PM


Re: Reasons Matter
Is it OK if "civilized people in a peaceable setting" take down symbols of Communism and Fascism?
If they are comfortable behaving as the very people whose symbols they attempt to take down, sure.
And could you please clarify this "time of war" exemption?
It's not an exemption.
The behavior is as inexcusable no matter when or where.

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Jon
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Message 62 of 95 (781603)
04-05-2016 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by Dr Adequate
04-05-2016 7:54 PM


Re: Reasons Matter
Actually, the fascists and communists put up the symbols of fascism and communism. Taking them down is the exact opposite.
Of course that's a nonsense string of illogic.
Just because fascists put them up doesn't mean those taking them down can't also be fascists.

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Jon
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Message 63 of 95 (781605)
04-05-2016 9:18 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by NoNukes
04-05-2016 8:57 PM


Re: Reasons Matter
But your refusal to defend your position that racism and slavery are/were imaginary is noted.
You are laughably stupid, NoNukes. A complete joke of the most unfortunately hilarious kind.
As usual instead of discussing the argument being made you try to invent some silly nonsense in your head to go after, like making believe that I ever said 'racism and slavery are/were imaginary'.
Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

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