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Hyroglyphx
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Message 29 of 95 (781233)
04-02-2016 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Modulous
03-28-2016 2:38 PM


True enough, but in fairness I don't think Vegas was in the communist bloc
Then it would appear that the Fascist Left strikes again! Vegas is a notorious, communist shit-hole. On the surface it looks like the bane of the bourgeois capitalist scum, but the underbelly of this innocuous city lies the House of Marx with a smattering of Maoist philosophy. The City of Sin... And by sin, I mean to say that Sin = Fascist Left.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 45 of 95 (781321)
04-04-2016 2:11 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Tanypteryx
04-02-2016 12:44 PM


Re: Reasons Matter
The people who fight to keep the symbol there do it for one reason, to instill fear in blacks and to remind them that they will never be considered equal.
I would say that the majority of people who actively fight to keep the flag probably harbor some racist ideals, but I can tell you that all of the supporters actually believe there is some heritage to be retained from it outside of the institution of slavery. How much exposure do you have with the South? Because I've lived in all four corners of the United States and, hands down, the Northeast and the Midwest are the most racist. The South gets a bad rap because of its past, but there is nowhere in America where whites and blacks live among each other more harmoniously than in the South. While it unquestionably has created some problems, it's also bridged a lot of gaps.
The Confederacy and its flag is a monument to a way of life that included corsets and sweet tea and Southern Belle's, and Southern gentleman, and of favoring states rights above unionism... And while I personally could care less because I don't identify as a Southerner, I can see why some are a little irritated that the negative aspects of the flag, such as slavery, is usurping all of the other innocuous things symbolic to it.
It would definitely be unfair to assume that you are a de facto racist just because you fly the Stars and Bars. And it is definitely a mischaracterization to assume that it is somehow tantamount to the Crooked Cross of Nazism.
At the same time, to be fair, those who fly it must also understand that there is a lot of negative connotation embedded with it due to the South's stance on slavery. I imagine if I were a black man, I might view it in a completely different light since a large part of the history is built on the backs of black slaves.
That said... I have no dog in this fight. Burn it... Keep it... I'm indifferent. But that is my perspective, for better or worse.
Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 52 of 95 (781533)
04-05-2016 1:20 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by 1.61803
04-04-2016 2:25 PM


Re: Reasons Matter
My take is the Rebel flag is it is a extremely polarizing symbol.
Agreed. Can't argue that point.
It is not imo, a monument to a way of life in the south. But was the rebel yell of the hatred of Yankees and Blacks and anyone who was not on board.
The Rebel Yell was a battle cry similar to other culture's battle cry. It was used for purposes of intimidating your enemy. Also, it's not like Northerners didn't want slavery and all Southerners did. There were quite a lot of Copperheads in the north and quite a lot of abolitionists in the South. Moreover, slavery was an ancillary issue. I hope you don't honestly believe that the Civil War was fought because the North wanted to abolish slavery and the South didn't. Because that's far too simplistic. The American Civil War was very complex in terms of causes for it.
Many people who fly that flag do so out of ignorance, many others out of strictly being provocative. In other words the assholes who do not have the first clue and will have the stars and bars tatooed on their chest with things like the "Souths gonna do it Again."
So in that regard it is not racist, but.....
I'm not saying it isn't a contentious symbol, because it is. I am simply pointing out that for its proponents there is more meaning and history behind it than what is being maligned and portrayed.
white supremacist do not see anything wrong with the confederate flag or the swastika, and in fact celebrate them. There is a reason for that and it is not because it is a "monument to the southern way of life' that included sweet tea and southern belles and corsets. It is because they want to identify themselves as racist and what better way to say it than with symbols from a time that disregarded the freedom and life of those victimized and oppressed.
White supremacists have of course usurped the flag, much to the dismay of other southerners who would like to stricken any racist connotation from the flag's symbolism.
Regardless, it really doesn't matter to me. Keep it. Burn it. Remove it from official state flags or retain it.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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