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AZPaul3
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Message 1 of 36 (781115)
03-31-2016 10:36 PM


Does anyone here vape?
I have been a smoker for so long I can’t even remember when I had my lighter and cigarette pouch surgically attached to my hip. I tried all the stop-smoking techniques from patches to pills, transcendental meditation to hypnosis, without even limited success.
For the last year I’ve been experimenting with vaping. Different equipment, different juices, different strengths and so on. About 2 months ago I found that instead of going outside to grab a smoke every hour, I would take a couple hits on my vape pipe just like I would a cigarette (doesn’t leave any odor and, no, I’m not into the peacock display of the big billowy dense clouds the kids are into so no one notices, much). So I made the effort to do this at home as well. I haven’t bought a pack of cigarettes in 6 weeks. I won’t claim I quit for another year, at least, but I’m finding that I have no desire to go out of my way to puff up a cigarette when the convenience of the vape is sitting right there ready to give me my nicotine hit. And I don’t have to puff and puff and puff some more to finish. One or two hits of vape and I’m good. I am pleasantly surprised.
Anyone else with a vape experience? Good or bad?
It appears to be working for me. Might it for you?

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Message 2 of 36 (781127)
04-01-2016 3:16 AM
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03-31-2016 10:36 PM


Nicotine has always been a bitch for me, although I no longer smoke. I have managed to quit that, but then I got addicted to the gum! Then I managed to quit that too but had terrible anxiety for many months. It was debilitating. I think the nicotine changed my brain chemistry, and that is probably what has happened to you.
I never really vaped, but a lot of people say it helped them too. I would consider continuing to do that until you can completely eliminate traditional cigarettes. But you really should view it as a temporary solution. I would give the Chantix another go. I kind of wish I tried it. I think it would have made my experience a lot easier. But almost everyone I know who used it as prescribed (you CANNOT deviate from the plan on that;take exactly as directed), all say that they literally have absolutely no desire to smoke anymore. I think it fills in those brain receptors that think it needs nicotine so that even the mental dependency is gone.
If you don't already do so, I would also consider getting in to a rigorous workout plan. You'll get that dopamine rush and it will become a much healthier addiction for you. I think it really helps a lot. Continue to vape for awhile, but get serious about a long-lasting exit strategy, and begin a rigorous workout plan. That would be my suggestion. Good luck!

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Message 3 of 36 (781131)
04-01-2016 5:18 AM
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03-31-2016 10:36 PM


On a thread some time ago Iano recommended the book The Easy Way to Quit Smoking by Allen Carr and someone on the thread gave a testimonial to its effectiveness. But I had the impression nobody else had tried it, so I'm wondering in your case if it was one of your efforts?
I quit a very heavy 27-year smoking habit in 1989 cold turkey and I know it sounds weird but I think I just happened on the technique the book offers. Not a single puff or desire for it since the moment I quit, after years of trying. A mental/psychological/attitude thing I came to on my own and I think others who quit cold turkey must do as well, that I suspect this book brings about just by reading it.
The author admits there are some who are impervious to his technique but it seems that a majority do quit from reading the book. Vaping sounds like a good alternative but really quitting might be even more enjoyable.
Been hoping to hear about others who've read the book. That's all you do, you read the book, period. It either works or it doesn't.
Whether you want to try the book or not, or tried it and it didn't work for you, happy vaping!
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AZPaul3
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Message 4 of 36 (781136)
04-01-2016 6:50 AM


Hydro, Faith,
I appreciate the responses and thank you for your advice but I should explain better. The nicotine is not a major problem for me. I know it’s not healthy but I’m addicted to the buzz. I like it. Nicotine is my drug of choice. What I am impressed with about vaping is I can still get my fix without the constant wheezing hacking cough. (I deleted a bunch of gross disgusting descriptions with which most long-term smokers are already too familiar.) My due diligence on the chemistry shows that vaping is considerably, and acknowledged as so, less harmful than tobacco. By a couple orders of magnitude, plus.
If nicotine is an issue then maybe a good plan for some may be to decrease the mix of nicotine in their juice to 0 mg over some period. They do indeed make nicotine-free juices. All vapor and flavor with nothing more. But, that’s not me yet.
What I am interested in is others’ vaping experiences. If there are others out there with somewhat similar experiences, or with bad experiences to vaping, I would like to know. Like your testimonials, I’m thinking this may be of help to those who have been, like me, through everything else.

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Message 5 of 36 (781138)
04-01-2016 6:56 AM
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04-01-2016 6:50 AM


Of course you like it, that's why we all smoke or smoked. The book addresses exactly that, and I'm tempted to hit you over the head with a copy of it.
However, I've heard good things about vaping, certainly an improvement on the tar and smoke factor (it's still an addiction, however), and others here have mentioned doing it so you should get a good discussion going eventually.
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Message 6 of 36 (781139)
04-01-2016 7:06 AM
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03-31-2016 10:36 PM


O Ye Of Little Vape
AZPaul3 writes:
It appears to be working for me. Might it for you?
Proselyte!

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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AZPaul3
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Message 7 of 36 (781140)
04-01-2016 7:22 AM
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04-01-2016 6:56 AM


The book addresses exactly that, and I'm tempted to hit you over the head with a copy of it.
Oh, please do, My Lady Love. I have waited so long to be smacked by you.

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Message 8 of 36 (781149)
04-01-2016 10:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by AZPaul3
03-31-2016 10:36 PM


Anyone else with a vape experience? Good or bad?
It appears to be working for me. Might it for you?
I used to smoke Marlboro Reds. Then I tried the patch. Then the gum. Then the lozenges. Then the disposable pen e-cigs. Then I finally went out and spent some money and got myself a good vaping rig where I could choose my ohms and watts and the level of nicotine in the juice.
Now that I'm able to "dial in" to exactly how I want my nicotine delivered; it's practically perfect and I couldn't be happier.
As a smoker, I always knew that I was just doing a drug. And I liked the drug. But I never liked inhaling the crude combustion product of coarse plant matter. It made me cough and it stunk and it was just gross.
I remember thinking that if only there was some other way to get the nicotine in my body, as well as cigarettes did but without the smoke, then I would be happy. Chewing was even grosser than cigarettes so that was out from the get-go.
Vaping has been a god send for me. It gets the job done without all the penalties.
I prefer to have a large dose of nicotine in a small number of hits spread out throughout the day, so I use a high level of nicotine with low ohms and high watts.
I have friends who are the opposite, that use a low dose of nicotine and just never take the thing out of their mouth all day.
I find it interesting that different people have different ways in which they prefer to use the drug. Some like to have waves of highs and lows where others just want that constant drip.
I had a cigarette a while back to see how it was and I didn't like it at all. It tasted horrible and just wasn't the same as vaping. Both the way it was delivered into my body and the buzz I got from it was different. I much prefer vaping nicotine to smoking it. I'm very happy that I have it as an option. And the fact that it is less unhealthy is just the icing on the cake.

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Message 9 of 36 (781161)
04-01-2016 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by AZPaul3
03-31-2016 10:36 PM


I never have either smoked or vaped. I have heard several people have bad reactions to vaping... I think it might be the PGP. They do make a vegetable version of that which might be a bit better for the lungs in the long run. Either is better than smoking, and neither is better than not doing either.

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AZPaul3
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Message 10 of 36 (781179)
04-01-2016 5:50 PM
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04-01-2016 7:06 AM


Re: O Ye Of Little Vape
Oh me of lots of vape.
Vape Evangelism I am here! But only when it works.
Different strokes and etc like that. Not everyone will find solace in the vape. But if they do ... so much the better.

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AZPaul3
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Message 11 of 36 (781182)
04-01-2016 5:57 PM
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04-01-2016 10:21 AM


Vaping has been a god send for me. It gets the job done without all the penalties.
I'm glad it has worked for you. How long did it take to free yourself from the analogs (vape-speak for tobacco cigs)?
I bummed one the other day and still was not disgusted. I have a way to go still.
Thanx, Cat Sci

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AZPaul3
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Message 12 of 36 (781183)
04-01-2016 6:00 PM
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04-01-2016 12:32 PM


I have heard several people have bad reactions to vaping... I think it might be the PGP.
PGP is new to me. What is that?
I know that PG (propylene glycol) is widely used in vape juice in combination with VG (vegetable glycerine). PEG (polyethylene glycol) is another that is used most frequently by the big tobacco companies for use in their disposable e-cigarettes. Might you be referring to PPG (polypropylene glycol) which is a polymer derivative of PG and would not be a good thing in an vape juice?
Which brings up the whole caveat emptor thing. A lot of vape shops and smoke shops have their own in-house mixologists to custom blend juices. They should be using only FDA approved (licensed as pharmaceutical or food grade) or USP convention food grade PG and VG. One should ask the mixologist what they are using, its source, how they know its FDA/USP grading and then ask around the other vape/smoke shops about this one's reputation.
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Message 13 of 36 (781186)
04-01-2016 6:31 PM
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04-01-2016 6:00 PM


Nicotine itself is toxic, isn't it? Isn't it used in pesticides?

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Message 14 of 36 (781193)
04-01-2016 9:35 PM
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04-01-2016 6:00 PM


I was remembering the acronyms incorrectly
.. it is PG and VG.

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AZPaul3
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Message 15 of 36 (781194)
04-01-2016 9:40 PM
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04-01-2016 6:31 PM


Nicotine itself is toxic, isn't it? Isn't it used in pesticides?
Yes. Yes it is. It is a stimulant at low doses (which is, of course, the goal) and a poison at high doses.
It is not a good thing to put into your body unless it is carefully controlled. A toxic dose of nicotine is considered to be around 4 mg/L (plasma). Even with a high power vape setup and a juice of 18 mg/ml (way strong) the vaper's (vapespeak for the person) plasma level hits a high of only about 6.6 g/L. That's micrograms (g), 1000 times less than milligrams (mg). And you really have to puff hard and long to get that at which point you will be a bit dizzy. A good buzz is more around 3-4 g/L.
It's still not good for you, but considering where the vaper came from it is a vast improvement for your state of un-health.
Like so much in life (even Hagen-Dazs Chocolate Ice Cream) moderation is the word.
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