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Author Topic:   Faith vs Science
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Message 4 of 186 (781862)
04-08-2016 11:43 AM
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04-08-2016 9:00 AM


Phat writes:

Faith is often personal.


And science is not. It's collective.
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Message 6 of 186 (781865)
04-08-2016 11:58 AM
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04-08-2016 11:48 AM


Re: Collective versus Selective
Phat writes:

Granted I believe that the Bible itself is evidence in regards to matters of belief and personal philosophy.


It would be better if the word "evidence" was not used at all in such matters. Since even Bible believers can't agree on what it says, it is far from "evident."
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Message 9 of 186 (781869)
04-08-2016 12:07 PM
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04-08-2016 12:02 PM


Re: Collective versus Selective
Phat writes:

The words themselves are evident though. They are evidently there.


Existence is a poor form of evidence. Fingerprints exist but they're not very useful as evidence unless you can figure out what they mean - e.g. that George was at the crime scene. If you can't agree on what the words mean, they're not very useful support.
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Message 92 of 186 (788665)
08-03-2016 12:36 PM
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08-02-2016 6:51 PM


Re: Faith & Evidence.
Phat writes:

If you believe in your heart that Jesus was raised from the Dead and confess it with your mouth you will be saved. Its just that simple.

As for any critics, I have seen people transformed by simply doing just that.|

My evidence is based on the transformation in others which I saw.


So, for the umpteenth time, why is it that so many people claim to be "transformed" but only others who claim to be transformed can see the transformation?
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Message 99 of 186 (788757)
08-04-2016 11:56 AM
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08-03-2016 4:06 PM


Re: Faith & Evidence.
Phat writes:

...the fact is that if someone-anyone-is transformed than everyone can see the change and the difference---not just Christians.


I'm saying it doesn't happen.

It's the same as Christians claiming that the good works come automatically when you're "saved". They don't. More often than not, the only transformation is a lot of new excuses for not doing the works.

We need to transform ourselves, not rely on some alien entity to do it for us.


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Message 142 of 186 (789084)
08-10-2016 11:58 AM
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08-09-2016 2:37 PM


Re: Faith in common.
Phat writes:

Science is NOT the origen, nor is Stephen Hawking anywhere near brilliant enough to come up with a hypothesis that explains origin.


So why are a bunch of Bronze Age sheep herders more brilliant?
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Message 146 of 186 (789268)
08-12-2016 11:39 AM
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08-11-2016 8:36 PM


Re: Faith in common.
Phat writes:

The Goat Herders were not so vain as to rely on their own imagination nor intelligence. By Faith they knew God.


They imagined God and had faith in their imaginations.
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Message 155 of 186 (789714)
08-18-2016 12:55 PM
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08-17-2016 9:07 AM


Re: The Word Of The Day:Imagine
Phat writes:

Quite simply I am attempting to show that when men imagined something, it was usually their own vain imagination. There were times, however, where their imagination was of God...chiefly because it was His creative Spirit...His imagination rather than the limited vain imagination of fallible humans.


That's only your vain imagination.
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Message 159 of 186 (789792)
08-19-2016 11:46 AM
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08-18-2016 3:50 PM


Re: The Word Of The Day:Imagine
Phat writes:

You may be right. I hope not, however.


Vain hope in vain imagination.
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Message 167 of 186 (810095)
05-23-2017 12:06 PM
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05-23-2017 11:58 AM


Re: Topic Remix
Phat writes:

Believers are passionate about their source....


Believers are passionate about their sourceS, plural. There's the Bible, the Qur'an, the Vedas, etc. How do you compare one source with another if you throw science out the window?
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Message 176 of 186 (810369)
05-28-2017 2:29 PM
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05-27-2017 6:39 PM


Davidjay writes:

True faith and true science is when you try and test out theories and find out if they work.


So how do you test creationism?
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Message 179 of 186 (810430)
05-29-2017 11:45 AM
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05-28-2017 6:18 PM


Re: Topic Remix
Phat writes:

Because "science" is not the only way that we make choices.
Not everything in life is evident.


That doesn't answer the question. How do you compare one source with another if you throw science out the window?
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Message 180 of 186 (810431)
05-29-2017 11:47 AM
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05-29-2017 10:50 AM


Davidjay writes:

Must I rewrite everything for you.


Yes. Answer the question: HOW do you test creationism?

List the experiments done and the results.


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Message 185 of 186 (811057)
06-04-2017 2:40 PM
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06-04-2017 10:47 AM


Re: Answering your questions Phat
Davidjay writes:

I like to answer questions rather than duck and hode from them like evolutionists do


Then answer my question: How do you test creationism? List the experiments done and the results.
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Message 186 of 186 (811059)
06-04-2017 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by Faith
06-04-2017 2:00 PM


Re: Answering your questions Phat
Faith writes:

You have to call all the witnesses liars to reject the evidence given.


Fiction is not evidence. Nobody is calling James Bond a liar. He's a fictional character making fictional statements, like Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, etc.
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