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Coyote
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Message 22 of 186 (781892)
04-09-2016 12:24 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Thugpreacha
04-08-2016 9:00 AM


Two definitions...
Two definitions from a long list I put together quite some years back:

Science: a method of learning about the world by applying the principles of the scientific method, which includes making empirical observations, proposing hypotheses to explain those observations, and testing those hypotheses in valid and reliable ways; also refers to the organized body of knowledge that results from scientific study.

Faith: the belief in something for which there is no material evidence or empirical proof; acceptance of ideals, beliefs, etc., which are not necessarily demonstrable through experimentation or observation. A strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.


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Message 43 of 186 (786424)
06-21-2016 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Hawkins
06-21-2016 4:15 PM


Evidence is for a small group humans to examine a truth, then for the rest to believe with faith.

I would suggest that "trust" is a better word than "faith."

The trust accorded to science has been earned over centuries of following the evidence, trying to understand it, and correcting errors when they are found.

On the other hand, faith more often presupposes belief without evidence.

That is the opposite of science.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.


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Message 56 of 186 (788488)
08-01-2016 9:50 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Thugpreacha
08-01-2016 4:29 AM


Re: Topic Remix
Why limit the possible answers to evidence based human response? Why not embrace power greater than ourselves?

Because there is no evidence for it?

If there was evidence that could be applied there would not 4,300 different world religions, with some 40,000 denominations of Christianity.

Every time there is a disagreement within a religion or denomination there is a schism. If they relied on evidence they could determine which side was correct and there would be far fewer such splits. With beliefs, each group goes its own way.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.


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Message 183 of 186 (811039)
06-04-2017 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 182 by Davidjay
06-04-2017 10:47 AM


Re: Answering your questions Phat
Faith and religion are the exact opposite of science.

Faith and religion rely on unevidenced beliefs and vacuous claims, while science relies on tested evidence.

Your posts provide a perfect example of the difference.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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