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Son of Man
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Message 1226 of 1482 (843307)
11-16-2018 6:26 AM
Reply to: Message 1225 by creation
11-15-2018 8:04 PM


Re: Creation
Creation is a future prologue
Genesis 1 to 2.2 is a future prologue to the whole Bible, these things have yet to come, one clue to this is held within Creation day six that God created man in our own image, both man and woman?
God (as a single entity)
our image (more than one entity)?
taken from the definitive revised English version
Edited by Son of Man, : noticed mistake and added to inc. source

the first will be the last and the last will be the first.

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Son of Man
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Message 1240 of 1482 (843680)
11-20-2018 4:41 AM
Reply to: Message 1235 by ICANT
11-19-2018 3:14 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT wrote
Genesis 1:2 to Genesis 2:3 is not the opening of a story that establishes the setting, and gives background details.
The opening of the story is Genesis 1:1 in which God created the heavens and the earth.
The history of the day God created the heavens and the earth is given in Genesis 2:4 through Genesis 4:24. Which is all the information given about the origin of the universe.
Science it totally silent on the origin of the universe.
I did say Genesis 1 to 2.2
my meaning was if this isn't a future prologue why does it mention the creation of man and woman?
and if there is only one God why state in our image?
I don't understand were your going with your last statement 2.4 to 4.24 origin of the universe?

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Son of Man
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Message 1257 of 1482 (843760)
11-21-2018 5:44 AM
Reply to: Message 1251 by ICANT
11-20-2018 12:29 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
But the heavens and earth were created in Genesis 1:1.
Genesis 1:1 is a declarative statement of a completed action of the subject (God) of the verb being the heavens and the earth.
you seem to make things in the Bible very complicated and struggle to justify their exact meaning, you have been taught the religious way which is to skip over certain facts as though they weren't there, I will ask you the same questions as I placed in another thread
who did Cain marry?
if it rains for forty days and nights where do you think the extra water comes from to flood the earth?

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Son of Man
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Message 1260 of 1482 (843865)
11-22-2018 7:34 AM
Reply to: Message 1258 by ICANT
11-21-2018 12:18 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT
sorry I'm struggling with your answers, they don't make any logical sense at all. you don't struggle with it because that's what you are taught and that's what you believe, there must have been a point early in your life where none of it made sense or mattered to you, at that point you were open minded and now your not? You are basically saying that the whole of mankind are inbred? that the earth didn't flood but was compressed and made smaller and then somehow grew larger again forcing the land above the water? oil is created by shifting of the earths plates, that's why it is only found in seams it didn't cover the earth then more earth bury it?
can I ask what religion you are? and do you believe the Bible holds prophecies or not?
Edited by Son of Man, : Added ICANT

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Son of Man
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Message 1266 of 1482 (844245)
11-27-2018 7:38 AM
Reply to: Message 1264 by ICANT
11-27-2018 1:26 AM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
But I will talk to anyone who will listen, and to some that won't.
you knocked the nail on the head, your not open minded like most of the religious I've met or talked to? I don't blame you for the way you have been raised, I'm sure you didn't walk into a church at 4 or 5 without an adult and ask to be preached to?
10 years old is very young to have made your mind up on such a heavy religious subject?
I was nearly 40 years old when I picked up the Bible to look at it both subjectively and objectively with an open mind, I have uncovered a lot of evidence that leads me to believe that the Bible creates it's own world and when this is done it creates the prophecies held therein, hence God spoke the world into being?
by the way you didn't answer the question on prophecy?
I along with many others believe that the earth has evolved, like the universe it is still expanding, continental plates as they are called now where once one huge land mass that can be put together like a huge jigsaw puzzle. That said I don't believe that man has evolved along with this planet, man must have been placed here because science tells us there is a missing link and the Bible mentions 'when giants walked among us'
I read science and the Bible open mindedly because they are both continuing to evolve
My Biblical journey started with the letters to the churches Rev 2 by placing the texts of each church into narrow columns you will find that the forth letter makes the longest column. near the base of the text there is a change from letters 1,2,3,4 'he who has an ear' comes last and he that overcomes comes first, in the letters 5,6,7, these verses are the other way around making the turns of columns of text to form a 7 branched candlestick or menorah.
The seven stars are found in 'the parable of the sower' within Mathew, Mark and Luke, the ending of each story has a slightly different end some 100, 60, 30 next some 30, 60, 100 and lastly some 100. Apply the rule 'the first will be the last etc. If you graph the numbers you get a pan shape, or the star formation the plough (American big dipper)?
At the point of the building the menorah I knew that I had somehow had to build a temple also using the texts of the Bible, along the way also finding more star formations ( see my other posts).
coincidence I think not?
Its all about building a picture seen primarily looking from the East towards the West, The texts of John hold the view of the temple looking from the same direction?
Edited by Son of Man, : added some words that I missed
Edited by Son of Man, : changed West to East

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Son of Man
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Message 1274 of 1482 (844346)
11-28-2018 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1269 by ICANT
11-27-2018 11:58 AM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
At 10 years old I had read the Bible cover to cover twice by the time I was nine and was on my third time at ten. I brought a devotion at prayer meeting in November of 1949
I am trying to make the point that at some point in your life you were taken to a religious meeting and didn't go of your own free will, when was that point in time?
ICANT writes:
How could you possibly have an open mind at age 40
I had picked up the Bible twice before I was 40 and not a sentence of it made sense. at 39 or so I heard a talk on radio that mentioned brosnins Bible Code, after hearing this I opened the Bible and immediately saw it differently, I read Genesis creation and realised that it did not make any sense to be at the beginning, I soon found Revelation and that is when verses and stories somehow stud out like they where being highlighted in my mind. The first of these is at the foot of my posts. I could consider this to be spiritual help? All the stories were somehow locked in my mind until I found out how to use them. I have never been to a religious meeting in church or elsewhere unless forced. I see God in a totally different way to religious people, it is given away in the story of Adam and Eve? My first memory is that of the body i am in now only i was about 3 months old and led down in a coach built pram, my mother propped me up against the front of the pram and placed my older brother in front of me, I remember seeing me cry. the point being I remember being what some people call an orb, there are good orbs and bad dependent on how you lived your previous life, they are why you should be careful of what you wish for, I have never or will ever wish for anything, I know how it works. you are also responsible for what you say and what you write ( they watch you all the time).
ICANT writes:
This will exist in the future as the new heaven and earth will have no need of the sun. Revelation 22:5.
the light is the same as someone throwing light onto a subject I.e. now it makes sense?
as for your last question about evolving
I believe we were placed here by a far superior race than we are, we have a lot to learn about who we are as a race, the above tells you a small bit? not all can become heavenly if you do wrong you most likely will stay on the earthly plain? of course someone had to have evolved at some point in time, I like you cannot answer this, I do however know that there are more advanced civilisations than ours, I have seen spacecraft one of which was there in one second and gone before the next?
I would like some feedback on my work good or bad? I really don't mind which, it all helps

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Son of Man
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From: Ireland
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Message 1277 of 1482 (844403)
11-29-2018 6:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1276 by ICANT
11-28-2018 10:14 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
suppose you could get really brainwashed in all those meetings.
Again you knocked the nail on the head? it must have been good food? Sounds like your from a big family? was anyone in your family devoutly religious, that is someone you didn't know but maybe was told about since their death?
Bible code
your probably right I never really found any proper evidence of anything I could truly believe.
how many WE were created and placed on earth? Some scientists reckon there were seven females? as they can trace all female DNA back to just seven group's # the seven daughters of Eve wiki. some say a lot more can be found? No daughter's of Eve are mentioned in the Bible? It seems that all women (in religious eyes) are capable of immaculate conception? no mention of husbands? Only twice for Adam?
ICANT writes:
You are probably mistaking my guardian angel for a space craft.
I don't think so the spacecraft myself, brother and stepfather saw was scanning the buildings at back of our house in the early 70s, the buildings in question belonged to British aero space making fighting aircraft at the time?
If we didn't evolve and all intelligent life in the universe was created by the same hand? why don't we have the same features as aliens found visiting our earth? there are at least five other races visiting this planet and not one of them resembles humans? Surely if we are all from the same maker we would resemble each other? whereas if we have all evolved we might not?
still no mention of my works? Perhaps you believe I'm a charlatan or in league with the devil?
I'm guessing your taking the religious stand point your way or no way?

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Son of Man
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Posts: 26
From: Ireland
Joined: 11-13-2018


Message 1280 of 1482 (844444)
11-30-2018 6:25 AM
Reply to: Message 1279 by ICANT
11-29-2018 11:57 AM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
How would aliens if they exist look, or act like us if they are not from earth?
you are of the belief that aliens do not exist at all in any shape or form? so you think that man on earth is the only form of intelligence in the whole universe, no ET,s? not too far from me there is a UFO observation lab. the man that runs it was very successful at spotting and recording them and would give talks locally, that is until the yanks bought him out and silenced him?
As for my work I only really came on this forum because I genuinely feared for my life, that stuff in my head was spreading rapidly. I don't think I'm making any headway doing it this way, I'm feeling a lot better now in fact I feel twenty years younger at this stage. I'm thinking that writing the story from beginning to end might be the best way forward.
thank you for the good conversation it's appreciated

the first will be the last and the last will be the first.

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Son of Man
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Posts: 26
From: Ireland
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Message 1312 of 1482 (844770)
12-05-2018 6:36 AM
Reply to: Message 1310 by ICANT
12-04-2018 11:19 PM


Re: Creation
Scientist make up theories that are their assumptions based on what they see as fact, their theories are held as fact until another scientist can PROVE it is wrong, there for science is an evolving process, yet religious people have made their minds up full stop. give a scientist the phrase I and my farther are one and he will ask who is his father not who is God?
Jesus father was Joseph, so I believe he was saying that he maybe in his eyes he both looks and thinks like his farther? Not that his father is God? If he meant God maybe he would have said his creator? Or maybe just said God. My assumption being that religion is not a scientific theory and doesn't have to be proven by the religious (its only their belief) but can be disproved by scientists hands down? or can it?

the first will be the last and the last will be the first.

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Son of Man
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Posts: 26
From: Ireland
Joined: 11-13-2018


Message 1325 of 1482 (844869)
12-07-2018 4:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1313 by Pressie
12-05-2018 6:51 AM


Re: Creation
pressie writes:
Your essay is downright confusing. Try capital letters, basic spelling, paragraphs and full stops.
not an essay just trying to make a point
stay confused
failed basic English so what
should be petty pressie? no caps!!!

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Son of Man
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Message 1326 of 1482 (844871)
12-07-2018 5:28 AM
Reply to: Message 1317 by ICANT
12-06-2018 4:35 AM


Re: Creation
Hi ICANT
We can all rely on your answers for the facts and figures, thanks
It is an impossibility for Jesus to not have a human father, every one born on this planet has a human father. He like me was born to a virgin, that virgin being Virgo the virgin. look up the facts about your virgin Mary and then look up the facts about the star formation Virgo, you will find a lot of similarities. I wouldn't be the first to notice them, which brings me to the question why does the Catholic church hold the worlds largest collection of ancient astrology books known and why doesn't it share them?
ICANT writes:
Why? Jesus created everything
now your getting closer to the truth
ICANT writes:
What belief can be disproved by scientist?
that was my point, nothing in religion can proved , or disproved in the religious eyes, your belief about God is different to every other persons as is mine, do we need a more scientific approach?

the first will be the last and the last will be the first.

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Son of Man
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Message 1327 of 1482 (844873)
12-07-2018 6:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1323 by Tangle
12-07-2018 3:17 AM


Re: Creation
another wrangle with Tangle
hi Tangle
Tangle writes:
Why are *all* creationists intellectually dishonest?
I must be a different kind of Creationist I'm not intellectual or dishonest!
Tangle writes:
No one yet knows what was before the big bang.
I reckon it was a man telling his children to stand back while he lighting a small fuse.
Tangle writes:
that it could be a spontaneous birth.
that was after the immaculate conception I believe?

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Son of Man
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Message 1361 of 1482 (845054)
12-11-2018 7:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1360 by Pressie
12-11-2018 7:08 AM


Re: Creation
pressie writes:
The best explanation for what is observed. That's basically it.
You got it right, scientist observe and mainly see what they are looking for biased on a theory they have, wanting to be the first to see it.
ICANT writes:
it has become a search for fame and fortune at any cost of the truth.
lot of truth in that statement, why else would anyone do anything these days? Some so called scientist may as well put their time and effort into winning the lottery and sell their theories to other like minded greedy people! yeh that's right its already being/been done. The search for a cure to cancer is another greedy mans effort. The list goes on and on!!!..

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