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Aussie
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Message 91 of 1482 (782758)
04-28-2016 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by jar
04-28-2016 8:57 AM


Re: what Genesis 1 is all about.
I have reached a tentative conclusion on those issues but that may be better in another thread.

I'd be very interested in reading this...


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Aussie
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Message 484 of 1482 (828013)
02-07-2018 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 458 by ICANT
02-02-2018 5:01 PM


Re: days and dates
My argument then and now is that there was no such thing as a noun in Moses days.

It was whatever they called them.

God Bless,

I have just lost every shred of intellectual respect I may have had for you. And I've been reading you for years. You are beyond absurd and I feel bad for the ones gullible enough to follow your "Teaching" and take it seriously.

Really ICANT!!! So my mother-in law in Sevilla, Spain doesn't have a car because she doesn't speak English? She drives almost every day in what she refers to as "el coche," but are you really going to stand there with a straight face and tell me she doesn't have a car because she doesn't speak English? And tell me Moses didn't have nouns because he didn't speak English?

This is beyond shameful if you are pretending to be this stupid, and well, it's a shame if you aren't come to think of it.

Never mind.


"...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"

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Aussie
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Message 508 of 1482 (828087)
02-09-2018 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 496 by ICANT
02-09-2018 11:35 AM


Re: days and dates
Please explain to me how Moses could have something called nouns when the word 'NOUN' did not exist until about 600 years ago.

Trying to ignore the base absurdity of your line of reasoning here...but it's really hard. Moses didn't really cause water to flow from the rock when he struck it, because he didn't know what "Water" or "Rock" are in modern English?

I know some illiterate Americans. I've taught some High school American kids who couldn't tell me the difference between a noun or adjective or adverb. I know some reasonably intelligent professionals who could not explain the difference between the Indicative and Subjunctive moods. IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE. Are you saying these people can't and don't use nouns and verbs because they don't know what they are? Does not knowing the parts of speech stop a person from using them? Are you capable of seeing the intrinsic absurdity of your argument? If you can't, again: Never mind, I can't help you.

If you want to understand the Word of God you have to quit thinking like a westerner and think like an easterner.

So your point is, if someone; anyone, wants to understand the Bible, say, a Norseman of a thousand years ago, or an inner city kid of today, or a native in Papua New Guinea, or South America, they would have to understand the long-dead language of the long-extinct mindset of primitive tribesmen from the Bronze age? You say that the average layman can't understand Scripture in his own language, but requires a clergy of experts to read and interpret Scripture for him? Is Scripture in our own language not enough?

Are you really going there? Because this would be a great time to start backpedaling.

Thor bless,


"...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"

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Aussie
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Message 509 of 1482 (828088)
02-09-2018 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 507 by ICANT
02-09-2018 1:53 PM


Re: Why NOT A Literal Bible?
That is simple. I know me and the woman I married is the only woman in the world that would have still been my wife after 60 years of putting up with me. Much less being happy to remain my wife.

If you talk and reason the way you have been here with that lady...for 60 years...and your quote above is true, then I concede the point that she must be hand chosen by a Deity as the only one for you.

Sorry, couldn't resist. *running away*


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Aussie
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Message 1071 of 1482 (841606)
10-16-2018 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1058 by ICANT
10-13-2018 4:43 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT... You are living up to your EVC name here. People are begging you to learn and you are consistently responding "ICANT."

Are you telling me that red stuff that I got on my hands today when I put ink in my printer was just wavelengths of light?

I used gasoline and lacquer thinner trying to get those light wavelengths off and I still have red stains on my hands.

How do I get them off?

YES ICANT! YES! Red is all about wavelengths of light! The pigment in the printer ink that spilled onto your hand absorbed all the short and medium length wavelengths (Violet/Green) of light that we can see with our eyes. The only wavelengths of light it couldn't absorb were the longer ones. Those long wavelengths were reflected back to a certain type of photosensitive cell in your retina called "cones." This triggered a chemical reaction that resulted in an electrical impulse being sent to your brain that recognized that pigment was reflecting "Red" wavelengths. This is the same reason that sunset is also red. Color vision is simply our brain discriminating varying wavelengths of light reflecting onto our retina.

This is high school level knowledge "ICANT." I typed this information from memory, without "Googling." You are seriously writing a book, and it covers scientific information?

Change your name to ICAN and try to catch up on basic knowledge. It's sadly clear you are not getting any scientific knowledge by revelation.

Edited by Aussie, : changes rods to cones


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Aussie
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Message 1115 of 1482 (841905)
10-23-2018 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1095 by ICANT
10-22-2018 2:29 PM


Re: Creation
I don't really know what color it is. I only know it matches what I have been told is black.

Hi ICANT,

I suspect you are a bit smarter than you are letting on. You are basically telling us that you have no more knowledge of your eye than the average person a thousand years ago. The modern middle school student knows about primary colors, what they are, and that black and white are not technically colors. I have a seven year old daughter who has read children's Q&A books that have dealt with this topic. I'm being serious here: If you are as ignorant of color as you are letting on (pretending to be???) my first grader has already acquired more physics in this area than you have over your entire life. This is really sad.

ICANT or IWONT?


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Aussie
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Message 1116 of 1482 (841908)
10-23-2018 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1111 by creation
10-23-2018 10:27 AM


Re: Creation
ICANT says in message 1099:

God went on to say the evening of that first light period (which we find at Genesis 1:2) with the period of darkness that ended with the following morning (sunrise) was "Day One".

creation says in message 1111:

No. In creation week days existed before the sun and moon.

Can you guys maybe private chat for a while and get back to us when you decide if the sun, or the first morning sunrise came first please?
Then maybe this conversation will make a little more sense...

Edited by Aussie, : No reason given.


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Aussie
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Message 1117 of 1482 (841911)
10-23-2018 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1099 by ICANT
10-22-2018 4:00 PM


Re: Creation
Since God is light it has never been dark where He is.

Again, I'm really struggling to understand you here. I mean, what do you mean by "Dark?" I'm not being facetious here; you literally don't even know what color is...why would we expect you to be able to hold an intelligent conversation on light and darkness? They are all interrelated.

If enough reflected photons of varying frequencies fall on the photo-receptors in your retina, they will stimulate your frequency-sensitive Cones, which send nervous impulses to your brain, which interprets those frequencies as color.

If the photon density is sufficiently low, (Like when your side of the planet is pointed away from the sun) it will not be reflected back to your retina strongly enough to trigger that signal to your brain...so you won't be able to see.

But there are lots of types of light that you can't see; radio waves, microwaves, infrared, ultraviolet, x-rays, gamma... these are all "Light;" they are all electromagnetic radiation, just like the rays of sunshine you see with.

So what are you saying about God? It seems you don't know enough to separate the physical from the spiritual. I mean, I can understand if you mean God is "Light" in some metaphorical or allegorically abstract sense. Humans are not naturally nocturnal, and we have historically ventured into the night at our own peril. What we call pitch darkness is no impediment to a wide range of nocturnal predators with eyes far better suited to low levels of illumination than us, and these predators have targeted us, and eaten well. We have a deep, species-level memory of this, and it's natural for us to associate darkness with "Bad things" and sunshine, when we can see and avoid, with "Better things."

So I get the "Spiritual light" angle. Whatever non-physical radiance he is generating. No bad things can hide, general feelings of safety, etc.

But you said " Since God is light it has never been dark where He is..." in the middle of a conversation about actual daytime and nighttime.

Are you suggesting that God is sending out Electromagnetic radiation? Because this is confusing. Physical light of all wavelengths is physical, not spiritual. God, in this case, would belong to physics, and we will be able to observe and measure this radiance. Or in this case, radiation.
We could SEE HIM, and measure the intensity of this light. Of any wavelength.

Edited by Aussie, : No reason given.


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Aussie
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From: FL USA
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Message 1133 of 1482 (842093)
10-26-2018 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1130 by creation
10-26-2018 10:22 AM


Re: Creation
The oceans were not even here yet as we know them.

Would you mind pointing out the Scripture that stated the Oceans were not here 6,000 years ago as we know them today?

If you can't, can we just agree you are completely making stuff up?

Thanks.

Edited by Aussie, : Bad grammar


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Aussie
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From: FL USA
Joined: 10-02-2006


Message 1134 of 1482 (842096)
10-26-2018 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1121 by ICANT
10-24-2018 2:18 AM


Re: Creation
Aussie:

I suspect you are a bit smarter than you are letting on.

ICANT:

I doubt that as my memory is getting slow and weak, that is what happens when you get old.

...unlike your sharp-shooting skills with a deadly weapon. That, according to you, is just as good as it was in your prime. Can we kill two birds with one bullet in this post by clearing up once and for all that with your declining memory and reaction time, you, in your advanced age, are not as sharp a shooter as before... and are thus inadvertently introducing a greater threat to the general public? No, I guess we will be unable to admit this...

I do know that darkness is the absence of light.
I also know that light is the absence of darkness.

Different colors are produced by the different sensations on the eye produced as a result of the way the object reflects or emits light. Some people don't see colors as you do.

Without light there is no color period.

Your understanding of light and darkness is elementary, like a young child's. You don't know enough to ask reasonable questions, or make intelligible comments about basic physics.

"... darkness is the absence of light. I also know that light is the absence of darkness."

I mean, no shit Sherlock. This is how a five-year-old might try to explain it. You don't know; you have absolutely no idea.

But can you answer my question from before:

Does God emit electromagnetic radiation from himself?
Does his Spirit shoot out actual photons?

Because that could be interesting!


"...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"

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Aussie
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Message 1138 of 1482 (842218)
10-27-2018 10:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1136 by creation
10-27-2018 2:18 PM


Re: Creation
Hey, we don't know if there were oceans or not. There were seas.

*sigh*

God moving on the face of the deep?
His Spirit hovering over the face of the water?
Some firmament in the midst of the waters?
Before God caused the dry land to appear?

So before there was dry land there was only water... but it was only a global sea not a global ocean...right? Are we playing semantics?

You and ICANT are getting painful to read. Please post smarter.


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